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All CDC data is no longer visible to comply with executive orders

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Looks like /r/datahoarder was backing it up just in time:

https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/1iekywr/cdc_we...

There is nothing good that come from this. We are headed for disaster, especially if bird flu or something else starts spreading quickly enough.

Like the tb outbreak happening now? The good thing is nobody will know it’s happening.

Like a penetration test or a security test, you don't know where you're out of compliance until you perform an audit; you don't normally shut down your site in the meantime.

The correct way to comply with this is to suggest that you don't believe that you're out of compliance, and to request specific guidance on which particular datasets aren't in compliance that should be removed.

Onward into the new dark age

Reminds me of A Canticle for Leibowitz.

Why does nobody refuse to follow these orders? They’re being issued by someone who flagrantly doesn’t follow the rules.

They’ll just be replaced with someone who does follow the order

Maybe. Maybe not. So call that bluff.

It is quite literally a legal risk to ignore these orders.

"I was just following orders"

Yes.

I wrote a webapp to pull your local covid wastewater data from cdc data. It's still working, so they either left their feeds in place or haven't gotten to them yet.

https://madmonk13.github.io/covid_ww_levels/

This is what fascism looks like.

https://www.census.gov/ is also offline.

Is the census data even available by other means nowadays? The census is a core constitutional requirement of the federal government.

/r/DataHoarder/ is doing us all a solid

Is it? Seems up to me.

[edit] Oh, I see, the actual 2020 census data is down: https://www.census.gov/2020results

Says for maintenance.

It was down, but it is back now.

Down for me...

The main site was replaced with a mostly empty blank page earlier today.

The bizarre thing was that the page source at that time had almost nothing except some odd javascript to build a "508 Daily Report" table of Jira tickets or some nonsense.

That view appears to still be up here: https://www.census.gov/main/

I can't really blame someone for a bad deployment given the raging government dumpster fires at the moment.

Lots of links seem down for "maintenance". Not just the 2020 census.

not for me

Is this malicious compliance or is the data all really in violation of the EO?

I think it’s pretty reasonable that it might take more than 2 days to review all CDC datasets for whether they “inculcate or promote gender ideology”. If the administration wanted to avoid interruptions in access they should have provided a longer timeline.

I think they should have been more specific with their wording of the order. It does not specifically say studies or datasets, but it doesn't make it clear that they should be excluded. The actual order:

- Take down all outward facing media (websites, social media accounts, etc.) that inculcate or promote gender ideology.

- Withdraw any final or pending documents, directives, orders, regulations, materials, forms, communications, statements, and plans that inculcate or promote gender ideology.

The order itself is poorly written, and was clearly drafted by someone who understands neither government process or the confusing reality of biological sex. For example, it seems not to acknowledge the factual biological reality of intersex people at all.

Worse, It provides no clear definitions, funding, or means to enforce compliance. Just an unreasonable and vague demand, especially when applied to the work of scientists.

It belies a middle school level understanding of the world we live in, and it's ridiculous demands should be met with only scorn and derision. This is not how functional grown ups behave, it's how angry children who believe that all complex problems have simple answers behave.

It does say "temporarily offline" while they adjust the transgender settings.

why would the whole site be taken offline?

I read the beginning of the executive order:

> Across the country, ideologues who deny the biological reality of sex have increasingly used legal and other socially coercive means to permit men to self-identify as women and gain access to intimate single-sex spaces and activities designed for women, from women's domestic abuse shelters to women's workplace showers. This is wrong.

This... isn't necessarily something I'd disagree with. This being the Trump administration, I suppose there might be some skeletons hiding later on in the text.

They also talk about the distinction between "sex" and "gender". You're still free to choose any gender you like!

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