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Sure you can. "Reasoning" is ultimately an implementation detail, and the only thing that matters for capabilities is results, not process.

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By "reasoning" I meant the fact that o*(-mini) does "chain-of-thought", in other words, it prompts itself to "reason" before responding to you, whereas GPT-4o(-mini) just directly responds to your prompt. Thus, it is not appropriate to compare o*(-mini) and GPT-4o(-mini) unless you implement "chain-of-thought" for GPT-4o(-mini) and compare that with o*(-mini). See also: https://docs.anthropic.com/en/docs/build-with-claude/prompt-...

That's like saying you can't compare a sedan to a truck.

Sure you can.

Even though one is more appropriate for certain tasks than the other.

It is a nuanced point but what is better, a sedan or a truck? I think we are still at that stage of the conversation so it doesn't make much sense.

I do think it is a good metaphor for how all this shakes out though in time.

Yes you use the models for the same things, and one is better than the other for said thing. The reasoning process is an implementation detail that does not concern anybody when evaluating the models, esp since "open"ai does not expose it. I just want llms to to task X which is usually "write a function in Y language that does W, taking these Z stuff into account", and for that i have found no reason to switch away from sonnet yet.

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