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Also, what will apple do - make Google not the default? Giving users bing or whatever will just piss off a lot of people.

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It seems the main thing the DoJ is upset about is that Apple hasn't developed a search engine themselves, because they have these deals with Google.

Surprised Apple and Google haven't just come to an agreement for Apple to "create their own" search engine which uses Google as the backend to work around it.

This is pretty much exactly one of DoJ's proposed remedies they're trying to force Google to do https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/27/24302415/doj-google-sear...

So they want more vertical integration?

Develop their own crappy version and rely on most people not noticing. (Apple Maps)

Google search has already become crappy enough. I doubt Apples would do so much worse at this point.

Your info might be outdated. Apple Maps is actually better than Google Maps in many ways (e.g. it says "pass this light and at the next one, turn left" instead of "in 300 feet, turn left")

I notice that I don’t see ads in Apple Maps.

Option 1: Present the choices on the Setup screen when you install the new iOS.

Option 2: Leave the default NULL and when the user first hits search in iOS (and default is NULL), present the list of search providers.

If they're still not being paid for those choices, I don't see why Apple would do this instead of just making the default Google (or something else reasonable).

In the EU both Google and Microsoft have such selection screens for search engines (and at some point browsers) because of antitrust concerns. I believe Apple also has a browser selection screen on iOS, but I'm not sure if this is the case for search engines.

If antitrust rulings make the case that any such big tech deals are illegal, Apple may not have a choice in the matter.

It's possible that Apple could be forced to do this, but just want to note that the EU Google and Microsoft thing is different. The EU didn't want them to push their own browsers, search engines, or other software on users.

Sure - but what I mean is that Apple seems to be stuck without any good options here. Even if they don't get the $20B/yr, most users will probably either choose google search, or be upset if they don't get google search on mobile safari.

I see your point. Apple can no doubt weather the loss of $20B.

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