Departing the New York Times
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* the Times employed Krugman to generate content, originally on terms that included a Times-branded blog where he could write with minimal editorial oversight.
* The Times consolidated their opinion content and eliminated the blog, leaving Krugman only venues with extensive editorial oversight, notably including how often he wrote about specific subjects (that is: with an editorial calendar).
* He started a Substack; the Times freaked out; he ended up leaving.
This feels like a lot of Substacker stories. He will probably have a bigger and more lucrative audience on Substack, and the Times probably won't suffer much from his departure.
From my own vantage point, the less the Times can index on punditry, the better. I don't pretend this change is strategic for them, but I think it'll probably work out to their benefit so long as they don't immediately go hire another economist.
From my reading of the article, you're conflating two seperate events, perhaps due to knowledge of additional facts it doesn't contain, or conjecture, or misreading - it isn't clear.
The blog was shuttered, yes, but on his opinion column he just mentions an increase in editorial oversight and getting notes. You call this "consolidating their opinion content" - can you share details? Otherwise it sounds mostly like an euphemism for "they adopted a stronger (guide)line", which is what the piece seems to bemoan.
I overall agree with you on punditry and I didn’t much read Krugman; I don’t much read any of their opinion columnists. But a point to Krugman in that he can write about actual facts whereas Ross, Bret, and David can only write about vibes.
The writing of Emily Oster is a great example of what economists can bring to analysis of current events. I wish we could clone her.
Paul Krugman was not the worst in that regard by any means. The champion was A. M. Rosenthal: Israel good, China bad, drug legalization bad, again and again and again. But I still became able to predict with confidence what position Krugman was going to take—and what positions he wouldn’t take—without reading his columns.
If this was reporting, I'd be alarmed, but it's not; it's opinion content, which is epsilon from entertainment. Krugman wants an unfiltered feed of his takes for his audience, and the good news here is that there's a facility perfectly matched for that: his Substack. I wish him all the best.
Bari Weiss left for the same reason Krugman did (you can make more money for less hassle with a Substack) even though her politics were the opposite and she didn't have as good a gig as Krugman did.
Since the NYT had a web site everybody there knows they live and die based on the usage stats, and the usage stats says that people would rather read Krugman, Klein, Brooks and Blow blow it out their ass rather than read a meticulously researched story (actually news) about some person they never heard of in some town they never heard of about some issue they never heard of that doesn't justify some pre-existing moral conclusion the reader already made.
Substack can steal away the heavy hitters of the opinion page, but it's not going to replace boring journalism, the real news that readers need even if they're indifferent to it [2]
[1] ok, she framed it more in terms of ideology https://www.bariweiss.com/resignation-letter
[2] ever note on Fox News they have a crawler that says "ALERT ALERT ALERT" when they camera leaves the studio? Because they know the viewers are only comfortable when some folks are sitting around the table talking about the way things are spozed to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bari_Weiss
I'll agree with the criticism of "anti-fascism" and similar trends, but she has way too much enthusiasm Peter Thiel, Joe Rogan and such.
I think The Economist should be center right thanks to its consistent insistence on free trade (founded to oppose the Corn Laws in 1843) or rather it is what the center right should be. Between the current Tories and Labor it is politically homeless in the current UK. I'd argue that its rating here
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/economist
is a sign of the US political spectrum itself being hopelessly biased, but maybe any American taking an interest in a foreign publication is left leaning, but then I remembered
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/spectator-world-media-b...
Full disclosure: I read The Economist and The Guardian regularly and I'd say the latter really is lefty. I was introduced to The Economist by someone who was a conservative at the time but switched sides but has enough sense to not to talk about "anti-fascism" around me.
When I was a kid the right wanted free trade and and the left wanted everything controlled by government. Now the right like Trump are big on tariffs and the great leader making things great. I think they are the ones who have moved more. Although I'm not sure this fits well on a one dimensional left right scale.
https://manhattan.institute/article/new-study-finds-politica...
That's like saying Weiss must be very tall, because you saw her standing next to a classroom of primary school children. The WSJ's editorial reputation is so poor that WSJ's own journalists asked their publisher to do something about it.
I'm not saying that's wrong or bad. I'm pointing out there's a group of people masquerading as "free thinkers" despite their overwhelmingly right wing views, and Weiss is in this group (Batya Ungar-Sargon is another).
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-witch-trials-of-j-...
which has a pretty good analysis of "How did online trolls get so nasty?" that would pretty obviously apply to the anti-vax fringe that the FP panders to but never makes the connection, for instance.
Right! I think this could be an example of skeuomorphism at its worse. I imagine the thought process as being: "We are a newspaper, therefore space is limited and we can't devote precious inches to charts and graphs. Even though most people read us online, and space is actually unlimited, we still cling to the antiquated newspaper format."
And as long as they do, it's understandable that for most articles they don't want two versions -- one that requires charts and one that doesn't.
I'm not defending it, but it certainly does make sense.
The post was bought by Bezos, so changes are more explainable. What about the times?
a) The clicks were fake but treated as real to prop up the advertising market, and then fed into the editorial decisions.
b) The clicks were real but we discovered, as others did, that more people click on literal 'clickbait' then on harder to consume, but more authentic content. Short attention spans might also factor in here.
I jump to the oft-repeated story about Google A/B testing a shade of blue (IDK if it's true), versus someone just making a goddamn decision and owning it. We should optimise on our best behaviours, not our average ones.
Perhaps said more succintly, we replaced leadership with local-maxima.
My interpretation of Krugman's departure is that higher-ups edited and re-edited his columns to reduce the possibility of calling up a kerfuffle. They wanted him to soften his words and blunt his message because they were sensitive to calls of media bias. I think that's exactly the wrong response.
This is what it looks like when an Overton window moves. In particular, this is how it looks when critical media insights are dulled in an attempt to appease an audience that probably isn't interested anyway. How many hard-core Trumpers do you know that started reading the New York Times after the editorial board made an effort to "expand their message"? For better or for worse, the world is leaving the New York Times behind. The older generation turns to Fox News, the younger generation to TikTok (or its successor), and the board's attempt to dull its message will only bore to death whatever remaining readers they have. If real news and real journalism wants to remain relevant, they should make sure their message is above all interesting, not boring, not muted; and they should choose an appropriate medium, which, sad to say, is probably not dead trees.
[edit:] Another depressing aspect of this is that Krugman isn't just a pundit, some talking head: he's a legitimate expert. This is exactly the kind of person who needs a bigger audience. Krugman draws attention to this fact in this piece, and I like the way he said it: there's a difference between an opinion and an informed opinion. In the age of the internet, there is no trouble hearing someone else's opinion on any topic imaginable, but it's a lot harder to hear from someone who actually knows what they are talking about, and is able to communicate well. Krugman was one of those, and now the Times has none.
People shout about "bias" as if it's a bad thing. But yet, every human being has biases, formed by their experiences. It's impossible to write anything interesting about anything without potentially being accused of bias. The deeper vice, of which we should be aware and try to combat, is corruption. The difference is this: if someone expresses a sincerely-held opinion based on evidence, they're biased; if someone expressed an opinion that they do not in fact hold, but express only because it is their job to express it, they are corrupt.
My spicy take is that the new media has been a net negative for 10+ years. But the positive side is that the 18-24 demographic stopped paying attention. We’re less federated now which comes with pluses and minuses.
This seems to be how Krugman is framing it, but is editorial oversight actually bad?
In the past this kind of pundit class could basically make things up and papers like the Times would just regurgitate whatever they claim.
We know what Krugman is claiming about the editors, but I could imagine a counterfactual where they were striking misleading or unsupported statements from his posts.
However, that's what might be politely called "unsupported speculation" aka "just making things up." Without evidence to the contrary, I see no reason not to take Krugman at his word.
Why do you find him trustworthy? He's clearly got an axe to grind and lots of incentive to make himself look good on his own blog.
Numerous times I've read blog posts on HN which present one person's side of a dispute, only to see it refuted later.
I'm glad to withhold judgment here until more information is available.
FWIW, his articles have been just as good or better on his substack. At their best, newspapers could be very good, but we might be able to do better than a fixed set of opinion writers covering an infinite number of topics.
Journalism is too important a task to go down with them though. I wonder if the Hindenburg research model could be a way to fund it?
Why should I keep reading past this point? Why would anyone?
1. They proclaim the intention to report on all the relevant news with as little subjective bias as reasonably possible.
2. They make money through advertisements and subscriptions, the amount of which is proportional to the magnitude of their readership.
Maximizing point 2 above competes with netflix, books, movies, etc... anything on which Americans spend their disposable time. This leads newspapers to continue to have crosswords, comics, wordle, etc. and opinion/editorial pages.
Opinion and editorial pages are not relevant news with little subjective bias.
I don't think that's ever been the case.
> Opinion and editorial pages are not relevant news with little subjective bias.
Even if it were somehow possible to produce a piece of reporting totally devoid of subjectivity, it wouldn't be interesting and no one would care, because most people aren't subject matter experts in the area of whatever the piece is about.
That's the value provided by expert editorialists, which Krugman was: they frame events in a meaningful way, be it historical, personal, based on experience in whatever field, or with other meaningful comparisons. Yes, such framing is necessarily subjective, but it adds value. Subjectivity doesn't imply corruption.
A bit from left field. So, framing your idea with AI. What can we expect when we look at biases in our selves?