How odd. Most Westerners I know would care…
Working for a news org whose data was used without our consent to give ChatGPT a leg up, yeah I'd care a lot about it. The bottom line though is that nobody is innocent in that regard.
Would a self-respecting organization go all in on Deepskeek R1 without a security audit and a ton of competitive testing against other models? I doubt it. Same way they shouldn't just give all their employees OnePlus or Huwei phones.
I like how the Meta guy put it. This isn't China beating the US in AI, it's "open source" (however these guys define it) beating closed models.
OpenAI broke its promise with the world, which anybody who compares their name with their product can tell you. If open models put a dent in their hegemony it's only good for the rest of the industry.
That’s such a weirdly specific application of a moral principle, it’s hard to believe.
[1] https://futurism.com/the-byte/openai-copyrighted-material-pa...
> The bottom line though is that nobody is innocent in that regard.
In other words, that bird has flown and it isn't a valid reason to choose one model over another.
To the extent that training a model with copyrighted material infringes copyright, copyright law has to change. There is no other point of view. Disagreement means forfeiting a very important game before it even begins.
I'm European, seeing the clowns in charge of US tech companies I'm equally happy using Chinese tools, especially if they're open source.
Stop twisting the debate as if it was "good US" vs "evil China", I have no horses in this race
It’s surprising to find people who genuinely don’t care about any of that, is all.
You don't have any concerns with the US government, the nepotism, the corruption, the conflict of interests, the insider trading, the massive concentration of wealth and power in tech, the insane lobbyism, PRISM, &c.
It's surprising to find people who can so clearly see how China is bad but are completely oblivious to their own problems. It's not a football game, you don't have to chose a side and be a boot licker for eternity
If you really think the Good vs. Evil narrative is wrong, why would you immediately go towards unrelated generic issues the West has? A neutral party would be more likely to acknowledge the problems with both sides, not reflexively try to change the subject!
Then again you didn’t claim to be a neutral party, did you?
Even if deepseek is a chinese communist party evil trick what do they get ? My shitty code ? Big deal, at least I'm not down $200 a month, which is half of my rent
Students asking for help with homework will get the chinese approved version. Any housewife asking for recommendation who to vote and why, etc.
But ... deepseek seems open source and the local version not restricted (as it likely was trained on ChatGPT in the first place). So I also refuse to refuse deepseek because it comes from china. I see it as more competition that hopefully will help with establishing good open source models in control of no single political organisation.
Well too bad for them, using a pencil to cut bread sucks too, that's why we don't do it. Meanwhile it's converting my json to xml and pissing code so I don't have to piss it myself
I considered switzerland for this reason. (Also I like mountains)
That's the only thing left.
Switzerland won't help when the top 30%+ of every EU country flees there
If the majority of people get their vote from a LLM, then it already doesn't matter which LLM it is.
How is this any worse than where the US is now, getting the Musk/Zuckerberg/Bezos/Trump approved answers, if any answer can be gotten at all, after the current occupant of the oval office has silenced all federal agencies.
Pull the other leg. Do you know who David Mayer is? Hint: https://archive.ph/iI5xC
> Who is David Mayer
 The name "David Mayer" is associated with several individuals across various fields:
1. *David Mayer de Rothschild*: Born in 1978, he is a British environmentalist, adventurer, and member of the Rothschild family. He is known for his environmental advocacy and expeditions, including the "Plastiki" project, where he sailed across the Pacific Ocean on a boat made from recycled plastic bottles to raise awareness about plastic pollution. ([en.wikipedia.org](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mayer_de_Rothschild?utm_...))
2. *David M. Mayer*: A professor of Management and Organizations at the University of Michigan, specializing in behavioral ethics. ([scholar.google.com](https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=c2Zunb8AAAAJ...))
3. *David R. Mayer*: An American politician born in 1967, he has served as the mayor of Gloucester Township, New Jersey, and was a member of the New Jersey General Assembly. ([en.wikipedia.org](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_R._Mayer?utm_source=chat...))
4. *David Delaney Mayer*: Born in 1992, he is an American documentary filmmaker and social entrepreneur, known for projects like the PBS series "Food Town" and co-founding DreamxAmerica, an initiative supporting immigrant entrepreneurs. ([en.wikipedia.org](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Delaney_Mayer?utm_source...))
5. *David Mayer (Historian)*: An American-British theatre historian (1928–2023), he was an emeritus professor at the University of Manchester, recognized for his work on 19th-century drama and the Victorian stage. ([en.wikipedia.org](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mayer_%28historian%29?ut...))
6. *Akhmed Chatayev (Alias: David Mayer)*: A Chechen militant (1980–2017) who used the alias "David Mayer." This alias led to a case of mistaken identity affecting the historian David Mayer. ([en.wikipedia.org](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Mayer_%28historian%29?ut...))
If you have a specific "David Mayer" in mind, please provide more context or details, and I can offer more targeted information.
Also, because not only the weights, but also the data is open, any propaganda can be identified and corrected. This is not the case for other models and what we have seen from Gemini, there certainly are "adaptations". I don't think Google had ill intent here, but this would fit what some would classify as propaganda.
Utilitarian money-oriented self-servers definitely have less "care" about these things? EU or UK or wherever
personally I imagine in the future I'll use a mock UN panel of LLMs to advise me, and avoid any one nation/political party's influence, if I ever get to the point of delegating much of my thinking to the machine.
Most westerners wouldn't want their land threatened by their allies either, but we don't live in a perfect world.
I think the most free-minded large models might be the Groks, but just slightly, as they have different biases. In sum, there's strength in diversity.
Aligned to what ? By who ? Did you vote for any of these people ? Did anyone ask you your opinion ? Can I see what topics are aligned ? Can I see how much they are aligned ? Does the alignment change depending on who's the current US president ?
A distinction without a difference.
As used by the Musk/Zuck/Bezos crowd, "aligned" is a weasel word for "parroting the TESCREAL world view"
Trump, tech, US-first focus with less interest in collaboration. TikTok. Ukraine and discussions around defence budgets. Reducing focus on EV’s. Tariffs. Iceland. Gulf of America.
Immediate choices might be fear-based but it’s smart to look for other partners as trust erodes.
An extreme side effect might be countries who felt safe under the US arms umbrella, needing to arm themselves. Are we absolutely sure that’s what we want? Does that include nukes?
There was a psyop by the politicians just a month or so ago: ”Trump employees recruited people on the street by promising them an expensive restaurant meal, according to a Danish radio station”, but if you listen to most of media you will think greenlanders dream of becoming the next Mississippi with a median salary of $35,070 instead of current $43,664.
Not saying it is bad, but US sure has a stronger self interest than most.
Im just saying let the models output speak for themselves, and let the actions speak for themselves.