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I don't find this to be true at all, maybe it has a few niche advantages, but GPT has significantly more data (which is what people are using these things for), and honestly, if GPT-5 comes out in the next month or two, people are likely going to forget about deepseek for a while.

Also, I am incredibly suspicious of bot marketing for Deepseek, as many AI related things have. "Deepseek KILLED ChatGPT!", "Deepseek just EXPOSED Sam Altman!", "China COMPLETELY OVERTOOK the USA!", threads/comments that sound like this are very weird, they don't seem organic.

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GPT-5 has been a phantom boogyman for like a year. Any time something better comes up, people claim OpenAI is holding back by not releasing some secret model despite the fact that if they had it, they'd be fully incentived to release it.

Not really? It's just a version that's proceeding 4x. I don't think there's really any reason to pathologize it.

the unpleasant truth is that the odious "bot marketing" you perceive is just the effect of influencers everywhere seizing upon the exciting topic du jour

if you go back a few weeks or months there was also hype about minimax, nvidia's "world models", dsv3, o3, hunyuan, flux, papers like those for titans or lcm rendering transformers completely irrelevant…

the fact that it makes for better "content" than usual (say for titans) is because of the competitive / political / "human interest" context — china vs the US, open weights vs not, little to no lip service paid to "safety" and "alignment" vs those being primary aspects of messaging and media strategy, export controls and allegedly low hardware resources vs tons of resources, election-related changes in how SV carries itself politically — and while that is to blame for the difference in sheer scale the underlying phenomenon is not at all different

the disease here is influencerism and the pus that oozes out of the sores it produces is rarely very organic

Thanks for saying it. People are far too cynical, and blame everything on bots. The truth is they should be a lot more cynical, and blame everything on human tendencies!

I think it's less bot marketing but more that a lot people hate C-suites. And a lot people hate the USA.

The narrative is the USA can never win. Even the whole AI trend was entirely started by the US companies, the moment a Chinese company publishes something resembling the SOTA it becomes the evidence of the fall of the USA.

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