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ICE Raids Are an Escalation of Our Long-Simmering De Facto Cold Civil War

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He did promise to do this, for sure. It's one of the reasons he was voted into office. I think taking this personally is a mistake, it's really not about blue cities or red states. Having said that, I don't expect fairness, or equality under the law, from this administration. Right now we feel very far from the pledge "... with liberty and justice for all".

> it's really not about blue cities or red state

How can you think that, given that only loyalty matters for trump?

> I don't expect fairness, or equality under the law, from this administration.

Especially since he’s halted all new civil rights investigations by the doj:

https://www.jurist.org/news/2025/01/us-doj-halts-all-ongoing...

> it's really not about blue cities or red states

Once he starts the raids in the red states, maybe that will be true. Right now he’s just attacking the blue states.

Deporting violent criminals now constitutes "attacking the blue states?" Most of the specific apprehensions are in so-called "sanctuary cities" the preponderance of which are located in blue states. That these violent illegal immigrants live in sanctuary cities is not a mystery, that these cities are in blue states is not a mystery. That you believe this is anything other than protecting lawful citizens and the government doing the job it's supposed to is baffling.

Or were you referring to some other action?

How did you make the leap to violent criminals?

Regardless of our particular opinions on immigration laws and enforcement, conflating illegal immigrants in general with violent criminals doesn’t help.

“violent criminals” is fake news he’s selling to the masses. it is how you win elections, scare a bunch of midwesterners who haven’t seen an immigrant violent criminal in their lives that this is core issue plauging america while using 4 years to pilage whatever they can :) not that we haven’t seen this already…

lots of violent criminals in Chicago schools, daaaamn :)

Trump could give two shits about immigrant violent criminals cause even if he magically rounded up every single one of them he might have one Boeing 777 to fill

> Deporting violent criminals now constitutes "attacking the blue states?"

Good question—if he starts doing that I’ll let you know.

> Or were you referring to some other action?

Well, I certainly wasn’t referring to the imaginary one you’re talking about.

"The raids are taking place in deep blue cities in blue states. These are places that voted heavily against Trump."

It's taking place in 'sanctuary cities' where the Mayors/government specifically said they would not deport people in the US illegally and these just happened to be deep blue.

It's happening suddenly because nothing has been done about illegal immigration for years.

Every other country deports illegal immigrants, and the US should be no different.

Calling it an 'Escalation of cold Civil war' is nuts. Saying this just shows that it was supported all along.

I agree. Sanctuary cities are dangerous not just to themselves, which to me would be fine... if that's what you want to do, go for it. But it affects the entire country and every one around them.

It's amazing to me that people on the left find it perfectly fine to force US citizens to get a vaccination, many going so far as to saying that anyone who refuses should be held down and forcibly injected. For the good of everyone else.

But, they also on the other hand refuse to enforce national laws, other laws that can also greatly impact others around them. Criminals being let go on purpose to commit crimes again. There have been people murdered by illegal immigrants that have committed many crimes, caught and released, caught and released multiple times. Do they not feel some responsibility for this?

How can on one hand you want to force a COVID vaccination into someone that has been proven can't stop the spread, but you don't want to punish a repeat offender?

Nor do they care if immigrants come in without a vaccination, or ever get one.

Makes zero sense to me.

But you do notice that he isn’t doing the raids in red states that are close to the border that would negatively affect their businesses and economies?

> There have been people murdered by illegal immigrants that have committed many crimes

Yet he just pardoned 1500 people who invaded government buildings and threatened violence on his own VP…

Not many sanctuary cities in the "red" states.

Why is being a sanctuary city a necessity for them to have raids? You don’t think any farmers in Texas are using illegal immigrants?

Because the actions are against convicted violent criminals, with "red notices" as a priority.

"Why doesn't Trump deport violent offenders here illegally from Red States?" Because most Red States don't tolerate violent offenders here illegally. Blue states specifically, vociferously, and at great taxpayer expense, do.

> Because the actions are against convicted violent criminals, with "red notices" as a priority.

He raided an entire factory and he had no way of knowing whether they were criminal.

Some innocent Puerto Ricans - who are United States citizens - were detained. He wasn’t going after criminals with red notices.

In Arizona, native Americans are also being detained by ICE and they are having to prove their citizenship

https://azmirror.com/2025/01/24/reports-of-navajo-people-bei...

But many illegal immigrants, but last time the deportations hurt the farmers

Where can I find an official list of sanctuary cities? What's the criteria for being on that list? Just so I can figure this out for myself.

They are self-declared, but here you go: https://cis.org/Map-Sanctuary-Cities-Counties-and-States

You've got a very broad brush in your hand.

> Sanctuary cities are dangerous not just to themselves, which to me would be fine... if that's what you want to do, go for it. But it affects the entire country and every one around them.

Actually: sanctuary cities aren’t dangerous, to themselves or to others.

Is that why Martha's vineyard welcomed that busload of illegal immigrants with open arms?

Is that the criteria for being a sanctuary city?

I’d love to hear where you’re going with this, or what the relevance is to the conversation.

you mean on the right, right? our new President was President during Covid who locked up us and our children for months and was tauting vaccine development like it was a porn star he was about to fuck while his wife is pregnant. Here’s “leftist” DeSantis with his thoughts, can send you 100 more “leftists” as well in case you really have short memory

https://youtu.be/Sq_ccy5rfgI?feature=shared

“those that don’t know their history are doomed to repeat it…”

> Every other country deports illegal immigrants, and the US should be no different.

Strange, I hear the same in Europe, every other country deports illegal immigrants, and >>Insert country name<< should be no different.

Every other country deports illegal immigrants, and the US should be no different

except that US economy relies heavily of on cheap labor of illegal immigrants who pay more in taxes than most americans

>except that US economy relies heavily of on cheap labor of illegal immigrants who pay more in taxes than most americans

By this logic the US ought to import anyone anywhere to enter and work in the US, in endless numbers, without limit, surely causing the US tax revenue to zoom to the sky. Congratulations on inventing the infinite money machine.

(The first slaveholders, however many thousands of years ago, also thought that they had invented an infinite resource-production method.)

if you did not get the memo people currently running the show in america think that white people are retarted and we need immigrants to come to fill all these positions we can’t find qualified americans (cause you know, we are all retarded). so you are on the right track whats about to be happening… few planes will take off carrying illegal immigrants and you’ll see social media posts about how they are keeping promises (albeit 1% maybe of the promises) while at the same time bringing in 100’s of thousands immigrants to replace you :)

I've long been a fan of "Candide" (both the novella by Voltaire and the comic operetta by Leonard Bernstein but for this comment I mean the operetta) and I've been unable to stop myself from watching the "Auto-da-fe" section lately. It's a biting satire of the glee that people feel while scapegoating their victims. (My understanding is that Voltaire was so disgusted by the inquisition burning heretics to stop earthquakes that he felt moved to write the work in the first place). The music itself veers from a sort of celebratory samba to a grim spectacle as the show trial proceeds and when the moment comes to hang the accused, the choir wails "pray for us!" as the judge/jury recite prayers.

I think my favorite line from the whole thing is "We chant a pax vobiscum, and hang the bastard high!" It captures the irreconcilable conflict of the high ideals of Christianity with the seedy reality of organized religion that I couldn't help but observe as a child and rather quickly drove me away. Learning that Bernstein (et al - I'm not sure who wrote which lyrics) and obviously Voltaire had seen the same things before me made me feel less alone.

And once you see this behavior, it's hard not to notice it again. Find a group of people and blame the ills of society on them, and we can all enjoy the cruelty carried out against them. And hey buy a t-shirt (or a Trump steak) while you're at the show.

The red states decide to ship the migrants via bus to us in the blue cities, frequently under misleading circumstances, in an attempt to demonstrate hypocrisy on our part. We accept them, understanding the value in growing our population, productivity and tax base.

Now they’re coming back instead to terrorize our cities with gestapo tactics.

If only Elon was actually concerned about population growth instead of disgusting racial nonsense.

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