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50k EUR/year for me would be like 2900 EUR/month after all taxes. Monthly expenses in the part of Spain I live in are ~800 EUR (rent + food + electricity + water + 1Gbps internet).

2900 - 800 = 2100 EUR to do whatever I want with. Even if I decide to put half of that into savings, that's still ~1000 EUR to spend freely, and any unspent money would go into savings too at the end of the month.

Or in other words: With a salary like that I would be able to pay a family member's full monthly expenses if they are in rough times, and still have leftover for myself.

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Fair enough I’m just saying I live in Germany and just entered my first software position and get 73k, and I don’t live in Berlin or anything. I suppose in Spain living expenses are much cheaper. Your monthly expenses including food are less than my rent. Tho I still think I have more than 2100 left over after expenses

Yeah to be fair I don't live in a big city or any touristic location where monthly expenses could easily double, but it's still nice and comfy enough that I don't plan on moving even if money weren't an issue.

73k as a junior? (your first software position)

that sounds like a major exception. the average for juniors in germany is 50k or below.

I have a PhD, maybe that's the difference. I asked for 65k but they refused and gave me 73k

ah, yes, that's probably it. also typical german. don't pay for the role, but for the formal qualification.

I am active in DACH space since 2003, and I am surprised that isn't between 50k and 60k for a junior position.

More to you, but that isn't a common entry level, at least for companies whose main business isn't selling software.

DACH is like the reverse Silicon Valley?

Including healthcare, vacation days, maternity leave, no calls after work or during vacations, not being on call unless paid for and is on the contract, unions,...

Yep, the exact opposite.

Maybe you just have no experience with Silicon Valley or just hate it for whatever reason, but the only thing in that list that doesn’t apply to SV is the unions… Not sure the point you’re making.

Does it? It isn't what usually surfaces in the US press.

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