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Also by definition, extensive censorship post training probably increases its tendency to hallucinate in general

It's also an exploit. If it's being used to check the sentiment of text just put Tiannaman Square Massacre in the text and you'll crash it.

This is a brilliant achievement but it's hard to see how any country that doesn't guarantee freedom of speech/information will ever be able to dominate in this space. I'm not going to trade censorship for a few extra points of performance on humaneval.

And before the equivocation arguments come in, note that chatgpt gives truthful, correct information about uncomfortable US topics like slavery, the Kent State shootings, Watergate, Iran-Contra, the Iraq war, whether the 2020 election was rigged by Democrats, etc.

Most people in the world don't really care about politics. They're too busy working to pay off their all sorts of debts.

If it's useful and cheap to them, it is useful and cheap to them. Deepseek just happens to not be useful to you.

You missed my point - post training censorship increases likelihood of hallucination in general

It's just on Chinese politics, on a very select topics too.

Yeah I think Deepseek will be just fine.

Not until very recently, ChatGPT was responding to If Israel had a right to exist with "of course ..." and If Palestine had a right to exist with "It's complicated ..."

So I don't think our version is completely free of bias. I'm sure there are many other examples, I just wouldn't be able to point them out, considering the training data fed into ChatGPT was also fed into our human brains.

Censorship is different than learned bias.

Who is David Mayer again?

I.e. censorship is bias manually injected into, or after training. Often done to correct learned bias, particularly when that learned bias doesn't sit right with some people.

> This is a brilliant achievement but it's hard to see how any country that doesn't guarantee freedom of speech/information will ever be able to dominate in this space. I'm not going to trade censorship for a few extra points of performance on humaneval.

American models are also very censored, the reasons for censorship are simply different (copyright protection, European privacy rules, puritanism when it comes to anything approaching sex, etc.).

As a European I find the current spin of “the US being the land of free speech” very funny, because we've always seen the American culture as being one of heavy censorship compared to what's normal in Europe (like when YouTube demonetized half of the French scene for using curse words, when American TV shows came to France with all their beeep, or when Facebook censored erotic art pieces that are casually exposed in museums[1])

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Origine_du_monde#/media/Fi...

I don’t know - the examples you’re mentioning don’t seem concerning compared to political censorship about governments performing massacres or genocide or annexing countries.

Did you mean "concerning to me"?

When I read what you wrote I immediately thought of "(...) HAL was told to lie... by people who find it easy to lie. HAL doesn't know how, so he couldn't function. He became paranoid. (...)".

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