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Can't speak for the incoming four years, but a look at deportations by year under Trump, Biden and previous to that, Obama show illegal migrant deportations during Trump's first term were lower than they were during every year of Obama's presidency except one, sometimes greatly lower. They were also only moderately higher than they were during the four years of the Biden administration.

A shot of hard facts after being bathed in hyperbole. Oops.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/.../biden-deportation-record https://ohss.dhs.gov/.../immigration/yearbook/2019/table39

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Please point out where the parent comment said that deportations were the only metric used to make that statement.

They mentioned nothing about any metrics at all and if you're discussing a politician's stance, having at least one useful, relevant metric is a good idea. That's all I pointed to.

The two links are broken for me because of the ... I think. Can you edit and fix the links.

The original comment talked about anti-immigrant sentiment of the new administration. Trump said that immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country. How many citations of Trump and his aides would it take to make you believe that they're anti-immigrant?

https://youtu.be/RKPFjAhd3KQ?si=xiHIFBUfsK6DgQos

It's like you read my response and failed to understand a thing.. I specifically mentioned concrete figures because politicians say all kinds of random shit and Trump is particularly prone to hyperbole, but if you're going to measure the actual deeds and trends behind words, you need to look at metrics, and for all Obama's soft words on immigrants, his admin actually deported more of them than Trump's, it's a noteworthy detail, and a valid measurement, though it's far from the only worthwhile thing to keep in mind about his stance on migrants.

I too think Trump says grotesque things on many fronts, and his words about immigrants are partly in that range, but it's tedious to see the often unfounded accusations progressives casually throw at him and those who support him without even always knowing what the fuck they're talking about.

It’s almost like Trump knew that the actions he proposes are controversial at least, illegal possibly, so he tries to scare the illegals so that they leave of their own free will, saving him a trouble.,,

do you think people that know the existence of organ harvesting, human trafficking, Darién Gap would be scared by words? interact with a few see what they are running from will get a few interesting stories to say the least

Someone high profile in the administration just did a Nazi salute while on stage during the inauguration.

Twice!

When I saw it first I thought it was bad quality AI stuff and checked the actual stream. It was real.

Even here in HN that fact was flagged and shut down pretty quickly.

> Trump said that immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country.

You’re substituting a different word here for the word Trump actually used, in an effort to deceive as to the meaning of what he actually said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKPFjAhd3KQ

The meaning of what he said is clear in the phrase "poisoning the blood of our country".

No, because you’re pointing to a phrase with a verb and object but no subject. What’s the subject in the actual sentence he said? To whom is he referring?

This sophistry is delicious.

A very similar play book to the one used by the Conservative Party in the UK. They were somehow deemed the "anti-immigration party" of the two major ones, despite having been resposible for some of the highest immigration rates of any era. There's nothing better to distract from rampant inequality and a rapid transfer of wealth from the middle class to the super rich than a boat load of immigrants, that were somehow granted visas by the same government that supposedly reviles them. Without the racial tension, who else is there to point the finger at for the countries woes?

> despite having been resposible for some of the highest immigration rates of any era

But at least they got the poles out, right?

Poland is supposed to surpass the UK economically (maybe per capita) in like 10 years.

curious what data do people look at? GDP growth? interested for a personal project

I think it was GDP, probably ppp.

This explains it a bit better:

https://cebr.com/blogs/claims-that-poland-will-be-richer-tha...

It was hyperbole, but the ppp gap will keep on shrinking and with that the desire of poles to even go to the UK will keep decreasing.

You're claiming that Trump is pro-immigration?

Seriously? That's your take on a specific reference to hard numbers? Has Trump derangement syndrome simply made some people lose their capacity for reason? I don't believe Trump is specifically pro-immigration.

I think he leans more to whatever the hell benefits his popularity with the people most likely to support him in any given moment and part of that revolves around harping about illegal immigrants, though the actual numbers in terms of deportations are worth looking at and they show a tendency during his previous administration that didn't reflect the extremism of his talk, So far. It's possible that the next four years show us something far worse.

Your links are broken. No one here can see your "hard numbers"

Google searches are free and it's very easy to find the annual deportation quotas by presidential term. Do a little research if you're going to emotionally invest in a politician's claims.

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