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Unsurprising, Mark Zuck always seems to have an app ready, remember Threads? Its no secret that he can just throw a few devs money and get something going awfully quickly.

Cut a few corners its fine, just need to get it out the door.

Gosh this is disgusting

What’s “this”?

It looks as if US is banning foreign apps to aid domestic apps. It shows a bias and paternalism rather than a more laissez-faire/free market approach.

The US did not ban a foreign app. The US demanded that the app be divested from its ownership by a hostile foreign government.

The free market has always been secondary to natsec interests.

I understand the difference. That is why I worded it as "It looks as if".

Crazy how even the “smarties” on here just repeat US State Dept talking points like a puppet. China might be hostile to the federal government but I have no beef with them, and I bet most of the populace doesn’t either.

It's been funny seeing everyone on red note talk about making friends with their Chinese Spy and gleefully handing over their data.

The USA government and tech companies have so thoroughly normalized spying on it's own citizens that it's simply expected and hardly even a concern anymore. People are numb to it. I think they are mostly just happy to actually get to choose who is getting the data for once.

That's right. For the savvy data holder, weighing US as a data collector vs China is an easy choice. If the US wants more people to choose it as their data collector, they should simply make a more compelling offer.

I like it. “You ban ours and we’ll ban yours” type of approach

As a parent, this kind of behavior leads to escalation and is indicative of adolescents in grades K-6. Usually people grow out of it before they reach adulthood.

Our ability to suppress our desire for revenge is what makes society work.

Usually adults both work together and play by the same rules, no? Is China working together in cases outside of this?

In prisoners dilemma tit for tat is a winning strategy for a reason.

No, we judge the rules based on merit. If the other person kicks you out, you don't usually follow suit blindly by applying their rules to them. That is following other people's rules rather than your own and lacks integrity.

I think the characterizion of this as tit for tat lacks nuance. If you look at China's actions over the last while, in the South China sea, in regards to Taiwan, banning western apps, "accidentally" damaging subsea cables, industrial espionage at huge scale, and probably a thousand other small and large things I don't know about: if we put this into human terms, it's like a child who is constantly testing you and pushing the boundaries to see what they can get away with.

The correct thing to do in this case, as an adult, is to have firm boundaries and push back strongly but fairly whenever they are crossed.

However, while it's an interesting thought experiment, anthropomorphasizing nation states in this way will only get you so far. China is not a child, nor is the USA, and they're not adults either. While it does sometimes seem apt, the concept of maturity, in human development terms, cannot be applied here.

The concept of maturity is for us. We have the freedom to choose what we believe about the actions of nations. Besides a nation cannot do anything without the actions of people.

We conveniently describe people's actions as being of a nation, but we should be careful in not taking this too literally. It's a convenient linguistic device that doesn't reflect the reality that underlying all national action is the action of people.

Tit for tat is not a winning strategy in the game theoretical iterated prisoner's dilemma. It is a winning strategy in a competition between strategies, but the incentives of these competitions do not align with the actual game.

In fact, the strategy by definition never leads to a win and is weakly dominated by just never cooperating.

A better answer would have been to develop some kind of decentralized censorship-resistant worldwide network, but that wouldn't have served the "iNtErEsTs" of the people wanting to maintain power over civilians.

Do they ban our apps? How come all of Apple's and Microsoft's apps can work there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_ma...

Much like tolerance. You can’t have a free market if all parties don’t agree. The US proposed a free market. China countered with a closed market and we’re finally understanding they were serious.

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