Google Says Some Apple Inventions Are So Great They Ought to Be Shared
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Those algorithms should be de facto standards and licensed under FRAND"
Came across the above comment at http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/151423/google-argues-popula...
Yes, none years sounds good. Shall we go with that? ;)
Copyright is a generally good force; its current lifespan is too long, but it has demonstrable value, even in software.
Patents have demonstrated no such value.
Thanks for playing, though!
This is why Bing is desperate to get traffic- as long as it's numbers are low then it has significantly fewer signals which cause its ads to underperform.
This is also the source of the 'Bing is copying our results' kerfuffle last year- http://searchengineland.com/google-bing-is-cheating-copying-.... Bing needed more signals, so used the toolbar to get them, inadvertently copying Google.
"Indeed, many of the same interoperability benefits that the FTC and others have touted in the SSO context also occur when one firm publishes information about an otherwise proprietary standard and other firms then independently decide (whether by choice or of necessity) to make complementary investments to support that standard in their products. "
I mean, that is, before those people get hired by Facebook or whatever and then make a newer version of the same thing and open source it. What happens when the secret sauce isn't secret any more, and the people who made it have moved on?
Sun Microsystems happens: a decade of stagnation followed by a quick and brutal collapse.
I understand that SGI had a whole wing of building 40 set up for customer demos. G turned it into a bunch of interview rooms named after programming languages. Well, that is, until 2011.
Apparently it's been turned into a huge customer demo room again if my mol^H^H^Hsources are to believed. There's a lot of eye rolling any time I ask about it.
No one is alleging that anyone hired Apple employees to learn iPhone and iPad secrets (which is what the Google diaspora documenting the Secret Sauce would be) or stole Apple's trade secrets in other ways. For that matter, no one is even alleging that anyone reverse-engineered an iPhone in these cases (even though that is generally legal). That was obviously not required to reproduce the behavior as issue (e.g. universal search, slide-to-unlock, phone number and other "data detection).
Instead, at most, we're talking about someone looking at the external behavior of an iPhone (something publicly available for Google's search engine) and trying to incorporate parts of that behavior they found useful. In many cases, we're not even talking about that. After all "universal search" is the Android analog of Google Desktop Search, released a couple of months before Apple applied for the patent (Oct 2004 vs Dec 2004), plenty of smartphones detected phone numbers before anyone outside Apple had seen an iPhone, slide-to-unlock was anticipated by Neonode and so on.
For Google's behavior to be analogous to Apple's, they'd have to be suing someone for copying Google Instant, the way they surface interesting links from a search result, copying Android's Intents (I think they're actually collaborating with Mozilla and others on a copy) or something like that. Last I heard, they're not doing anything like that.
But if apple has a patent on it because they were the first to invent it, then it became ubiquitous because others copied apple.
To say multitouch gestures like (inch/zoom, and slide-to-unlock are "essential" shows a lack of imagination in what a phone could be. Apple didn't make a fundamental discovery, they just made a cool product feature.
-) has quite a bit of prior art, most notably minority report
-) is similarly self-evident on a multi touch surface as drag-and-drop using a mouse or modifier keys on a keyboard
Meanwhile slide-to-unlock is a simulation of a real world object on a multi touch surface. I'd also argue that it's an idea Apple has clearly introduced with the iPhone with not much prior art.
Conclusion: Those gestures should be analyzed separately when one has to decide whether a design is infringing or not.
Unfortunately, one of the problems with the current patent system is that it isn't in Google's interest to do that before it comes to a trial. The first problem is that using prior art before a trial is legally risky. If you fail to invalidate a patent (and you might fail on a technicality like not documenting the prior art in exactly the way the patent office wants to see it), you don't get to bring up that prior art later. Second, good prior art searches (necessary if you want to have the best chance at a challenge) aren't cheap. They could easily waste their effort on patents that turn out not to be an issue at trial (patents that are relatively easy to work around, become less important because of the way the market evolves, dropped during the legal process because they seem to be relatively weaker claims and so on). The companies suing generally throw lots of patents at the wall to see what will stick. There's no sense in helping them sort that out before you have to.
Do you think it's not? My assumption is that that specific thing is patented, and is either expired or the owners don't enforce it or don't know they own it, or, that there is a broader patent whose owner may eventually decide to enforce in the context of a checkbox or similar thing.
'Tell us again about the dark times when people were scared to share algorithms and concepts!'