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It doesn't really have to be that way, does it? Yes, they're very loud right now, but what's preventing a set of (non-MAGA) voices from presenting a coherent counter that includes concern for efficiency and effectiveness, but still with, you know, united states.

It's almost like there's a lot of lead in DC water, since the level of discourse hardly rises above nutty...

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I’m a liberal and I favor secession. It doesn’t have to be this way but it is this way now. There are major power imbalances. Neither chamber of Congress has proportional representation. Several times in recent elections the Presidential candidate with the majority of the votes did not win. In my mind the American Republic died when the insurrectionist leaders didn’t go to jail.

> In my mind the American Republic died when the insurrectionist leaders didn’t go to jail.

That was the point where I stopped investigating Republican positions. Their subsequent actions have demonstrated that it was a waste of time in trying.

"Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. It’ll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it’s won anyway."

This quote feels pretty much what's happening in DC these days. And if one side is being a pigeon, there's nothing the other side can do to force them to work together.

And the worst part is being a pigeon is effective in this day and age of social media. Until the voters actually value mature leadership, we're deadlocked into this shit covered chessboard.

Trump's plans to prevent California from receiving disaster relief are only the beginning; the Republicans will spend the next four kneecapping blue states while trying to move the country towards Gilead. I'd favor secession if I lived in California; they're the 5th largest economy in the world and can definitely survive independently.

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