Can anyone get this to work, it shows everything as the same colour
As a EU citizen who no longer lives there, in part because of the poor salaries, I can't say I'm surprised by the EU 'brain drain'. The EU published a paper on this in 2024, about how they are leaking talent because the high-talented individuals by and large don't stick around.
Not just salaries, the other issue is regulation and moving slowly.
EDIT, the doc I referred to: https://commission.europa.eu/document/download/97e481fd-2dc3...
Seems to attract mostly the British and the Irish with an interest for sunnier but English speaking places
OTOH, the typical/mean competence in SW seems relatively low if compared with high salaries countries.
For example, as I was hiring last year, it was just impossible to get a candidate that have even heard about functional programming, or anything outside Python and C.
A friend of mine was hiring EEs, and the best one he found (hold to your seat!) said an inductor is to resistors in series.
There are exceptional good people, but they seem to bot be free in the market.
https://smartasset.com/taxes/california-tax-calculator#
and
https://listentotaxman.com/?ingr=100000
Someone on £100k a year in the UK will keep £68,561
Someone on £100k a year in California will keep £69,291.73
That doesn't feel a massive difference.
Salary difference isn't because of tax (employer NI contributions in the UK are high - £12,500 for £100k, but employer healthcare is high in the US)
The assertion was that employee taxes were high in europe. Now they may be in mainland, but in the UK that's not particularly true, not at 100k range anyway.
On the California median salary of $67k, in the US you keep $51,915, in the UK you keep $51,741, practically the same.
At $500k, in California you'd keep $287k, in the UK $279k, so 3% difference there at the 8-times median CA wage, I'll admit that.
At that salary though the employer contribution to tax in the UK is significantly higher than healthcare contribution in the US, so sure, probably around 10% difference in total.
There's basically no difference in income taxes between the UK and US, that doesn't explain the massive salary difference.
EDIT: median salary in SF: https://www.levels.fyi/t/software-engineer/locations/san-fra... would be >350k USD.
Even when in UK is the same, you still have to pay the TV-tax, VAT 19%, fuel prices are high because of gigantic taxes, all of those do not exist in USA.
Also in Germany public health is getting more expensive (there was an increase of 1% this year) and worse (although still good). Also education is getting more expensive slowly.
Which ones? just out of curiosity, because is totally irrelevant for the discussion: The car was invented in Germany, and for long years the best cars were German, but right now the industry is falling down non-stop... So there may be many people inventing whatever languages, when you search people to program, you just do not find good candidates.
I'm not arguing that people in Germany does not know functional languages. I just say, if you search somebody, is hard to find. The pay was damn good 80k/year. I was in a company in south Germany, maybe that is the difference?
OCaml, Scala, Coq, Isabelle ...
> The pay was damn good 80k/year.
Check levels.fyi. Comments say it's skewed upwards, but that's what people working for international companies with respective skill set get. Employment is not marriage, people are always ready for a change if you offer conditions better that what they have. You wouldn't find a graduate in the US for this money.
And I bet you are on site or at most hybrid, so are restricted to people living in your city if not town/village.
Yes absolutely. That is why I said it was in south. That is a big problem. I know for a fact, that in Berlin there are much more good SW devs. but here around they are scarse.
Was happy to see Iceland relatively up there, I've heard there's a strong tech sector in Reykjavik and my wife and I are in love with the country and have entertained hypothetical discussions about relocating there (from Canada), even if temporary.
>high salaries because of the high cost of living
high salaries will cause high cost of living more than high cost of living will require high salaries (because those jobs could just move away (except for those jobs that can't move away because they are needed to support industries with high pay))