U.S. Employee Engagement Sinks to 10-Year Low
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Anecdote time:
My uncle went straight from school to work for the local factory. The factory gave him a low-cost loan the factory backed, he built a house with it. Paid the loan back in record time (because of the low interest). He did get laid off once and had to work in a factory one town over (same company still), but when the economy picked up he came back to the same factory.
He retired from there some years ago, ever had the one employer, but they took good care of him and he returned it with loyalty to the company.
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If companies were loyal to employees in ways other than just fancy words ("we are family here"), people would be more likely to be loyal to companies.
Now the only way to get a proper raise is to switch jobs. The best way to get a better salary/title at your current job is to leave to another company for a year or two or come back. New employees fresh out of school get paid same or better than people who have been there for a decade.
Why would anyone work hard in those situations?
I am not discounting corporate greed, but I would like to point out that it is only getting harder to employ ethically, and it is only getting harder to compete as a business without optimizing for short term gains and fully exploiting any and all resources because of that.
I think we have failed ourselves through misgovernance in the past 30 years to let ourselves fall behind the industrial behemoths that will not allow their own middle class to flourish, and, once they plateau, to flounder.
It is only getting harder to employ ethically because of corporate greed. Stock market valuations and profitablity has been very high for quite a while, but employees are treated like shit nonetheless.
Middle and lower classes are fighting among each other while the actually rich get richer. And some well-off middle class people think they're "rich".
Occupy Wall Street was striking that nerve of raw populism. Success of both Trump and Sanders campaigns in 2016, coupled with the complete takeover of GOP by populists (Trump/Vance), means that the moment is ripe for someone to tap into all this populist anger. I hope that person is an FDR and not another Hitler or Lenin.
It's still used because it works. That's why Donald promised to make groceries cheaper (bread), because that's one thing that will make _everyone_ angry.
The 24 hour news cycle and social media handle the circus part, keeping people invested in stupid culture wars about "the gays", BLM, DEI and now Trans people.
If they have plateaued in terms of growth, why would they struggle to provide the same quality of life?
Also, I wouldn't say "have fallen behind China". China has seen remarkable growth on many fronts, and millions of pople have been uprooted from poverty. By most metrics the quality of life is still lower than in the US/UK/AU/NZ/EU. (No, GDP, GDP per capita, GDP growth are not quality of life).
The social contract is entirely broken in the US. The law does not apply equally. The rigging is being exposed.
A neat cherry was placed on top of that by confirming that being elected president cancels sentences for crimes carried out before becoming president.
Almost everyone I know has half an eye on the exit or they are making decisions like cutting back to one person businesses or taking big pay cuts for remote. Nobody seems hungry for promotions or more money. There’s so much apathy.
I’m guessing it’s partly post Covid but feels like something is fundamentally changing in our culture. Or it could be that me and my circle are our 40s now!
A pay cut for remote can make sense. If you're in the South East and need to commute into London you can sometimes take a £10k pay cut for remote and see no change in income in the end because of the massive saving in train fares.
But this means that at least I am definitely looking for more money!
The family business was hit hard in 2008 and has never recovered,
Relationships and marriage have been hit hard by the covid,
Last year, instead of being promoted, I was fired to make way for my boss's friend.
Fuck that.
Now I'm working on my own project.
Health and family is what is the most important.
Skills and mobility are what count, not my 'commitment' to other people's businesses.
it's not apathy. it's realization that game is rigged, promotions are irrelevant as they increase workload/pressure on in a way that outpaces the monetary gains.
Also the fact that you can't get rich, or advance on social ladder by working anymore. There is hard cap, and it is visible to everyone younger.
COVID and remote work showed just how much rigged the game was and how the system is broken.
While I agree with what you say, I disagree about the "apathy" part. In my circles, people focus on what is important for them - and fortunately for their mental health work is not their top priority.
Treat people with respect, pay them decently (it doesn’t need to be MANGA crazy), and promote good management.
We would probably be shocked at how engagement, morale, productivity, and deliverable Quality go up.
When the only carrot is money, you’re just going to get short-term mercenaries that don’t care about what they do, who they work for, who they work with, and bounce from job to job; doing terrible work (even if they are quite capable of doing good work).
Can't imagine people are thrilled with their prospects.
I agree with all the factors you cited. On this specific one though, it is on the stupidity of American workers enamored by remote working and couldn't think one step ahead. If your job can be done from Kansas, it is a matter of time before it is shipped off to Colombia. Coldhearted profit maximizing nature of Capitalism will ensure that.
The only people in the US who should be rooting for remote work are superstars with truly rare software talents, execs who have made it or shareholders. For the remaining plebs, there is a very small window to wake up and go to offices. And make sure remote work fails massively. That's your only moat to keep these good jobs in the US.
I myself warned about that multiple times: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27696235 , https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29784222
Cheering for working in your sweatpants and how much you're "getting done" with whatever LLM editor, totally oblivious what they're supporting, courting a future of reduced wages and dramatically increased competition.
I genuinely believe a large portion of the software types let the "engineer" titles and inflated compensation go to their heads, and they earnestly believed writing CRUD made them irreplaceable.
Sad times.
(Sample size was ~80,000 working adults. Sampling error was ±0.5 percentage points at a 95% confidence level.)
That includes real estate / landlordism, sorry!
Many people aren't motivated by the absolute number in their bank account. But we're taking away their security in the form of precarious living situations, which is a universal need.
And when companies can layoff employees easily and have no retirement / loyalty bonus program, it cements the minimum effort effect.
Here is something I noticed in Germany:
It is surprisingly hard to go out for lunch or a coffee and get good service these days.
In many restaurants and cafés where you have been served by friendly people who were interested in what they sell and happy to see customers, you are now served by people who are completely out of touch with what they do. Disinterested, and sometimes even outright grumpy towards customers.
And also - wait until spring - then I am sure the Germans will be in a better mood.
Neither. Labor markets are tight. That improves employees’ bargaining power. The time since our last jobs recession means more may choose to trade that leverage for free time versus savings. (I certainly have.)
I think those on the broad right are also undervaluing the power of idle hands at this point in time: some small percentage curious people with free time are largely responsible for innovations in society that everyone benefits from, the rich most of all.
We still need at this point, new ideas with which to feed into the training data of the coming AI labor decimators.
Because of the slow burn of this, the labor market is in a bit of a Mexican Standoff. How this resolves or concludes, I cannot predict. Services labor would tighten if immigration of all sorts was constrained, labor that requires firm authorization checks would tighten faster if some combination of Boomers leaving the labor force faster or workers 55+ aging out faster occured.
Here at least it's easy to see why though: 20-30 years ago most of service staff went to catering vocational schools (and work as server was seen as reputable career), while today majority of serving work is done by part-time students (and work in service is seen as deadend job).
It is well documented that operating cafes and restaurants is among the lowest probability avenues for becoming rich, and highest probability avenues for the business failing.
This is most likely a consequence of demographics and excessive rent seeking. Labor prices go up, and people are only able or willing to pay so much for food service before deciding it is better to do it themselves.
excessive rent seeking
What is excessive rent seeking? Isn't rent based on supply and demand?When a person wanting to start a business chooses not to because there is a 90%+ chance all their efforts will result in most of the profit going to the landlord when the lease renewal comes up, that is excessive rent seeking (most visible as only franchise or chain restaurants opening).
When young people in the bottom two income quintiles can see they will never be able to save enough (because of spending their money on rent and higher prices paid to businesses that are paying rents) to afford buying a place of their own, so they forgo pursuing goals of forming families, that is excessive rent seeking.
The other two points seem to be about the price level, not about "seeking"? Do you suggest owners of buildings should rent out their buildings below the market price?
Basically, the owner gets something for nothing, which is tantamount to rent seeking.
And how are they getting something for nothing? Would you say the same about all ownership? Like when someone owns stock in a company or owns pension rights?
> And how are they getting something for nothing?
Because they didn’t do anything. They didn’t do the labor of developing a structure, renovating it, operating a business, or even managing a tenant if they left it empty. Yet they will get protection from the police and courts and military for their property, and a higher price when they do sell.
> Would you say the same about all ownership? Like when someone owns stock in a company or owns pension rights?
Depends how the company earns money. Is the company doing something now, or taking advantage of excessive protections granted by the government. For example 100+ year long copyright terms, or recurring charges for structural monopolies without improving infrastructure (Comcast, etc).
On a societal level, one can see the elderly population who cannot provide for themselves depends on rent seeking as a whole (whether via sophisticated financial agreements or simply traditions that oblige children to take care of older generations).
Which isn’t a problem in and of itself, but excessive amounts of it is, because it will sap the younger generations’ rewards too much such that they won’t be incentivized. And this leads to the problems experienced by societies with flattening population histograms around the world.
Is it not blue collar work in Japan?
Then again, the future also looked better a decade ago, inflation wasn't crushing us, and so on...
Could we all be more prosperous? Sure, distribution of wealth has become unjust _and_ unfair and we need to do something about it, and we can do this democratically. The future does not look bleak if you live in one of the rich, western democracies that make up the EU members. Anybody who fearmongers and tells you that we are under siege, or in the crapper, or threatened by immigration or whatever is trying to sell you a narrative to further their own agenda, an agenda that will harm the blue collar workers. So stay vigilant.
[1] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...
[2] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php...
If only people could eat numbers!
But more seriously, do you often cling to your assumptions when they do not match data? Asking for a friend.
Ocassionally, as one should.
But never when they don't match empirical reality.
As one also should - "questionaires" and "statistics" be damned. USSR also had plenty of statistics...
2nd. Especially in big cities, the cost of living has skyrocketed and the quality of life with service salary has become really bad. If you're forced to work such job, there is no way you'll be happy doing it. I don't fully condone how rude service workers are sometimes, but I completely understand their disengagment.
3rd. Gig economy has completely effed up the service industry. It used to be that if you're a student, working in a cafe or a restaurant was the perfect go to side job you could afford while studying. Now that doesn't make any sense anymore, as working as a gig worker makes so much more sense. You still don't earn good money, but at least the sector is much better regulated now, and also you can decide how much you work, without having to deal with customers that much, nor having to bicker with small food establishment bosses with unrealistic expectations about service workers engagement.
About this, as I try to hire employees, I absolutely hate our tax code. DCAP is painfully low (5k). I really wish we could find a way to allow employers to offer pretax benefits and directly provide childcare as a fringe benefit.
But you're 100% right, mandatory take a maximum chunk and workers should have lower taxes.
Competitors are paying the exact same salary down to the cents, if it goes too badly, you'll be paid the same somewhere else anyways.
Do I give my best? No I don’t. I want to be well rested and healthy. However I do my hours without slacking and really work from home when I do home office. I have tons of crap from previous employees to clean up for years. Rudimentary stuff nobody cares of. Why should I overwork when nobody did this for decades before me in this chair.
But seriously, anyone below genX has not been in a situation where "caring" employers are the norm.
In the march for growth, one of the easier things to do is cut employee benefits. That can have a corrosive effect on culture. "The company is just about cheapest possible, why should I both putting the extra in"
Thats even before we get to profit sharing. Bonuses were a thing, and your manager's manager was only on maybe +50-70% of what you were on.
In short, if you want engagement, you're gonna need to invest in it. Evening out the wage bands, providing decent incentives, paying your staff to care and rooting out bad actors.
but culture change is hard.
Free time has more utility than money, after a point.
Employers treat employees at best as disposable and replaceable. At worst employers are outright hostile to employees (RTO, layoffs, etc).
Yes, what you get in return is a disengaged, and sometimes adversarial workforce.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
And come on it can't be that bad!
I have seen Larry's Musashi ship and Jeff's Koru, anyone who can afford a $500'000'000.- ticket for sailing the blue seas is sure to treat their employees well enough so that they can afford to take a break to pee and not have to use a plastic bottle, right?
It does makes sense as Jeff wrote his success was: “half luck, half good timing, and the rest brains!”
we need to get better
Second, things are really changing anymore. I think about the past 10 years and largely my life is almost identical, which is bizarre compared to the 4 decades before that. I look around my room (home office), and everything is a bit nicer, but we have LCD displays, and laptops, and webcams, and all this stuff around me that is just like what I used to have. Compare 2015 to 2005 and it is quite different. 2005 was all CRTs and desktop computers that were loud and slow. No social media, the Internet was useful but not omnipresent. Movie theaters and CDs and DVDs were everywhere. If you wanted to interact with people, you called them or got together. Very different life. 1995 was, of course, way different as well.
Now, the future seems done, in a way. And that bleeds into work, I don't hear about anyone really building anything new and exciting. Just things getting better and cheaper (except housing!). AI is a thing, but it is terrifying. Either it is a bubble and will smash the economy, or it will take over work and is terrifying, or it will go Terminator and is terrifying. Sure, there may be a more golden Culture-esque universe, and I'm hoping for that. Still, it doesn't feel like we as a people have much say in that, just some disgustingly rich asshats competing with each other for our future.
And honestly Americans could use that pep talk.
Is this not about management after all?
I'd suggest that engagement will largely be improved by actions that address root causes of employee apathy rather than words, threats or "pep-talks".