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Bullshit. Groovy can be introspected just as well as Kotlin. And the magic in kts files is still there:

    configure<SourceSetContainer> {
      named("main") {
        java.srcDir("src/core/java")
      }
    }

Unless you know this, there's zero way you will come up with this by typing `configure` and using just auto-completion. Might as well use Groovy and a String for the name of the thing you're configuring. Good tooling would be able to auto-complete from there whether it's Groovy or Kotlin (or Java etc).

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That wasn’t my experience a few years ago with a large groovy-dsl project. Since groovy will take a look in several different namespaces to automatically resolve things in a script, editors I tried had no hope of telling me what anything was.

Also, groovy allows modification of private instance variables which leads to … un-fun situations. I converted tens of thousands of lines of groovy to Kotlin. A lot of those lines were automated. Too many were not automatable for myriad reasons.

As far as the magic in Kotlin, I can easily click through all keywords and jump to the implementation in IJ. Groovy (at the time and in the project I was in) was utterly hopeless in this regard.

Groovy closure delegates' type can be declared, giving as much information as with Kotlin. The reason you couldn't follow the code was that the people who wrote those things either didn't declare types, or IntelliJ wasn't using the type declarations (I believe Groovy support in Gradle files is less good than in general Groovy files, where the IDE does support this). You're correct that some plugins will resolve things dynamically and those cannot be resolved by the IDE. But that's not the fault of the language, if you're going to rewrite in Kotlin with types, you could just as well add types to your Groovy declarations for the same result.

"Can" is the key word here. If types are optional, _someone_ will always fail to declare them, and _you_ will suffer.

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