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That doesn’t seem fair, does men also get some "consequences"? Or did Eve listen less than Adam at that time? (I didn’t read the Genesis)

edit: found it. Adams gets to eat plants from the soils (instead of form the trees?) and will work hard to produce those plants.

Just before, the Serpens deceive the women by telling her eating the fruits not in the middle of the garden is ok. She was suspicious but the Serpens was very convincing (by lying) However when Eve told Adam to eat the fruit, he didn’t ask anything and did it. IMHO the man is more in fault here because he didn’t even try to understand why he should eat Eve fruits while god said no.

> To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

“Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. 18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. 19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.”

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%203&ver...

The serpent didn’t lie. It just told Eve the truth, that she could eat from the tree and not die.

No Eve alive today claims to be the original. Eve ate from the tree and surely (eventually) died.

Edit: the supposition in Genesis is if they hadn't ever eaten, they'd be alive today.

I think that is debatable and semantic. The tree didn’t kill them or cause them to die. It wasn’t the tree of life, it was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God says if you eat from the tree of knowledge, you will die. In the King James Version, it is even “for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die”. This indicates that eating from the tree will kill you, possibly even killing you the very day you do it. But the tree of knowledge does not kill you, it just gives you knowledge. God chose to kick them out of the garden (preventing them from eating from the tree of life and being immortal).

If someone tells me “You can have any drinks in the fridge but don’t drink that bottle under the sink, or you will die” means the bottle under the sink is poison, not that they plan on murdering you if you drink it. They can choose not to murder you, that is on them, not on the sink bottle. But when you are the all power supreme being, I guess you can say or do anything you want.

Physically, I see your point.

Spiritually, they died that very day and were dead in sin unless God helped them.

And back to physically, just imagining the sight of the tree of life and the experience of getting banished - that's going to feel like a death.

"It may be here said, We have instances wherein God hath not fulfilled his threatenings; as his threatening to Adam, and in him to mankind, that they should surely die, if they should eat the forbidden fruit. I answer, it is not true that God did not fulfil that threatening: he fulfilled it, and will fulfil it in every jot and tittle. When God said, 74 “Thou shalt surely die,” if we respect spiritual death, it was fulfilled in Adam’s person in the day that he ate. For immediately his image, his holy spirit, and original righteousness, which was the highest and best life of our first parents, were lost; and they were immediately in a doleful state of spiritual death.

If we respect temporal death, that was also fulfilled: he brought death upon himself and all his posterity, and he ... suffered [the beginning of] that death on that very day on which he ate. His body was brought into a corruptible, mortal, and dying condition, and so it continued till it was dissolved. If we look at all that death which was comprehended in the threatening, it was, properly speaking, fulfilled in Christ. When God said to Adam, If thou eatest, thou shalt die, he spake not only to him, and of him personally; but the words respected mankind, Adam and his race, and doubtless were so understood by him. His offspring were to be looked upon as sinning in him, and so should die with him. The words do as justly allow of an imputation of death as of sin; they are as well consistent with dying in a surety, as with sinning in one. Therefore, the threatening is fulfilled in the death of Christ, the surety.

https://ccel.org/ccel/edwards/works2/works2.iv.xii.html

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