"You are blind if you think that what Apple does is real innovation in the sense of what the actual producers of the cellphone did. "
Please cite where I claimed they did? Straw man much?
I'm just pointing out the difference between Samsung and Apple to you. They aren't the same. Apple clearly differentiates their products. Samsung aims for as little differentiation from the market leading designs as possible. It's true with refrigerators, washers, tablets, phones, etc. That's why the comment you were originally responding to disparaged Samsung.
You drew a false equivalence between completely copying a product and making a smartphone that's very different from other smartphones but apparently is just as bad because it wasn't the very first smartphone Moses brought back down the mountain. Laughable.
Right -- or like we always say here on HN, it's not ideas that count, it's execution.
The cynic in me would also say that mp3 players that don't have a radio were probably also pioneered by them :)
There were many other options, and as usual Apple simplified and minimised.
But competing music players at similar price points were not, so I'd still tend to give more credit to Apple's execution than its "vision".