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Congestion pricing can work to dissuade individuals from living in the burbs, only if there is controls on real estate to deal with the influx of people moving inward. The other benefit is an increase of mass transit usage, which is a plus?

I personally took a cab from Newark to Laguardia at MIDNIGHT and it took 40 min to cross into Manhattan to get to the Queens-Midtown tunnel. Just a new level of traffic. Was fun going in the MIB tunnel.

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Living in the suburbs is perfectly fine; I think a perfectly virtuous outcome here would be that people keep living in the suburbs if they wish, but have adequately funded suburban rail and bus transit into the city.

An important piece of context is that NYC has some of the US's best suburban transit, including three different suburban rail systems (NJT, MNRR, LIRR) and one non-subway interurban rapid transit system (PATH).

Problem is, none of the money from congestion pricing is shared with NJ transit/infra

That's because they turned it down[1]. New Jersey has decided that their strategy is going to be to dig their heels in and hope for a supportive administration, rather than plan for the next century of growth in the economic region that powers their state.

[1]: https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2024/12/18/nj-refusing-generous-...

Sweet lord have you ever tasted a peach grown in new jersey? What the hell is going on in that state.

Most superfund sites of any state, decades of chemical industry and now pharma, and also peaches not really liking how north NJ is, mostly. Jersey's a wacky place, for sure, but believe me, the politics in New Jersey get even crazier than this due to boroughitis.

NYS offered, NJ sued NYS, NJ lost

It would be a completely ok thing for NYS to tell NJ $0 get bent, NJ coulda spent turnpike widening money on transit instead of begging from NYS

NJ needs to stop its commuter residents paying NY income tax, particularly those doing WFH more than half the year. They can boost NJT with that pile of money.

How do you propose they do that? NJ doesn't levy NY's taxes, NY does.

(To my understanding, NJ gives every resident an equivalent income tax credit for the taxes they pay in NY. Given that they can't stop NY from taxing its own employees, this would mean they'd effectively need to double income taxes for NJ residents.)

> They can boost NJT with that pile of money.

NJ has had many opportunities to do so over the years and consistently chooses not to.

> I personally took a cab from Newark to Laguardia

I don't understand why anyone would ever attempt to do this. Was it truly the only option?

Flight got rebooked with a couple hours notice, stayed at LGA checkin till it opened, had the first flight out. Fare was more than 100$

I did JFK-EWR coming back from HND one time. Not the only option but probably the best, all things considered. That's life in the fast-paced, slam-bang, laugh-in-the-face-of-death world of non-revving.

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