Do mind that the body can only use about half the protein in wheat, compared the somewhere in the 90s % for whey, for example.
Outlawing being poor/homeless, so the poor can be arrested just for not having housing. Or for debts.
Then, making laws that inmates can be provided to corporations to work.
Boom, some slavery.
[0] https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-today/modern-slavery
Then MAGA will be like "hey, wait a minute, this seems kind of like slavery. Isn't that something we stopped teaching in school".
Are the companies who profit from it really that influential?
I also don't understand why some HNer's insist on downvoting simple questions. Trying to silence questioning is not healthy for society.
What you have seen (whey without calves harm) is probably typical an old farming practice OR of some rural family production. That’s great for them and their cows, but have nothing to do with 99% of the milk consumed daily, even the best quality you can buy wherever else those farms are.
If HN is about the struggle for truth I expect a certain amount of intellectual rigor in comments.
I also read your explanation in sibling thread. IMHO you’re right about the calves not-killed if we only look for a specific time frame , but it can’t work on the long run. If you can please share some materials for us to learn more. Also, cows definitely needs a clave to start the milk production.
Then what happens to the calf? They raise it to the end of it's natural lifespan as a pet? Are male and female calves treated differently?
> Most Dairy cows don't need to have a calf to produce milk.
I can't find anything to corroborate this. Every source I find on the topic says dairy cows produce milk for up to about one year after giving birth, then they need to be re-impregnated to begin producing milk again. Do you have a source for this claim?
In a small dairy situation the calves are kept off of the cows for either the morning or the evening milking and so the cows' milk production remains high the entire time. The calf weans, but from the cow's udder's perspective the calf is still suckling like mad and so the cow keeps producing milk. The calf grows up and is bred themselves, doubling the milk output over the course of two to three years.
Now this isn't sustainable in a paperclip-optimizer kind of way, so only the best milkers are kept and the ones that either have a hard time getting pregnant, or are ornery, or produce less milk, or get sick regularly wind up getting harvested for their meat. But there's no need to kill the calves (at the local dairy scale).
Side note: on the other side of the calves killing scale, some farmers (in Swissland at least) started to kill male calves directly at birth because they found it more profitable at scale. Yummy Toblerone!
This is objectionable if you find any of the meat farming practices objectionable, but whey itself does not necessitate killing anything.
A replacement rate breeding program for cows that rotates dairy production is probably possible. It's just not what we seem to want.
This is assuming that people would eat calves if they weren't killed so that we can take their milk.
We _could_ (probably) figure out a way to not require killing them, I just don't know what that would be.
If god appeared and said that the Hindus were right all along and cows are sacred and milk is their gift to us - we'd do it just fine.
If AI means "Artificial Intelligence" I do not believe you.
Not sure I'd single out whey. It is really all dairy.
And, all chicken, all beef, etc... If you dig into the actual mechanisms of how harvesting is done, it is a horror show.
We do it anyway.
When I sit down and think about the amount of murder required to maintain any omnivorous or carnivorous creature, it's really a mindwarp. I (at least) have been quite separated from it my whole life, until I started hunting, really.
Wolves and large carnivores especially are just brutal. They will take your children down and eat them alive in front of you. Fair exchange we drive them off and kill you quickly, is at least one way of looking at it. But there's no "pleasant" way of looking at any of it.
For example, most people have some sheepishly held position against factory farming despite partaking in it. And they think it's wrong to kick a dog and a pig and a cow. And watching a documentary like Dominion or Earthlings makes them feel horrible so they'd prefer not to watch it.