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I just think they're bad cars. The "minimalist interior" is just a way to cheap out on features and they're not built that great. Hyundai or Rivian have some great EV offerings for same price or cheaper.

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Hyundai might have some great EV offerings that are cheaper, but Rivian does not have anything even close in terms of price, unless you only consider Plaid models. You can get a used model 3 for $20k now, which is good value if you put aside politics & CEO.

Well yeah I'm not talking about comparing a used high mileage version of Tesla's cheapest sedan to a R1T

Rivian and Tesla's trucks are pretty similarly priced, no?

this is blantantly false. you cannot sell this many “bad” cars to start with. people can say whatever they want about elon politically or otherwise but the cars themselves are fucking awesome. and not only that, the supercharger network takes all the anxiety of owning ANY OTHER EV completely out of the equation. my wife has a non-Tesla EV and every longer trip basically is a project where she needs to prepare for where she will stop, what she will do if there are 11 cars waiting there (happened before)… I drive a 2014 Tesla S and the last thing on my mind (even with a battery which is now at like 90%) is where I will charge the car. would not take rivian if someone gave it to me for free and same with hyundai. even luxury-side EVs (Audi eTron, BMW i7…) can’t hold water to Tesla (and number of cars sold tells a simple story…)

I disagree with your opinion so its wrong!

millions and millions and millions of cars sold is not really an opinion :)

Right, and people must like whats popular! Preferences are false and they simply have yet to succumb to the wisdom of your position!

if something is bad you won’t be able to make an empire out of it and outsell your competition by a wide margin - you gotta use a little bit of your head here… millions of people won’t pluck down $50k because something is “popular”

elon is a fucking tool - the cars are fucking amazing.

This could be true of songs and movies. But cars are too expensive. And Teslas are bought not just by the rich but all across the economic spectrum. I can't relate to what you talk about here.

You cannot relate to describing someone’s subjective opinion as blatantly false?

Teslas may be bought across the spectrum, none of that is remotely relevant.

Tesla owners are often insufferable to listen to as they go on and on about their cars, like they make vegans seem a treat by comparison, that alone may dissuade people - I know it does for me.

with such a bias towards tesla owners it would be wise if you didn’t get yourself involved in these types of discussions. “tesla sucks because tesla owners are terrible…” :)

I gave a subjective reason for a preference, the difference is I didn’t pretend it was anything other than an opinion.

Hyundai does not have the track record Tesla does. The best part about Tesla is the buying experience. While Musk's personal conduct is less than desirable, doing business with a dealership affects me far more.

Every brand has been trending towards the designs Tesla put out 5-10 years prior. Their minimalist interiors are cute, cozy

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