Parents of OpenAI Whistleblower Don't Believe He Died by Suicide, Order Autopsy
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I hope the autopsy gives them peace, but I'm not expecting it to change the result :/
Mohammed bin Salman and the Saudi government were aware of the repercussions of murdering Jamal Khashoggi, if it were found out, but went ahead and did it anyway.
Given their attempts to rebrand into a tourism and entertainment capital, mindshare of "that country and leader who tortured and murdered a journalist" isn't great.
Specifically because not doing it, while a thorn in their side, wouldn't have destabilized the state. They did it because they could and they thought they'd get away with it.
The default is that people don't fucking care. Especially tourists. MBS can organize music festivals every week and people would go if it's not too expensive. Qatar hosted the world cup in 2022, and guess who was picked just recently to host the cup in 2034. Yes, Saudi Arabia.
Just this year, historic milestone. Yeey. :|
https://www.unwto.org/news/un-tourism-applauds-saudi-arabia-...
And saw relatively low amounts of tourists and views from Europe (top 2 in terms of footballing powerhouses, alongside South America which is generally poorer and less people from there can afford to travel). Just comparing the 22 World cup to the 24 Euros was night and day in terms of coverage, pubs showing the games, viewing parties, etc.
Anyway, the point of sportswashing is not direct monetary profits.
Summary of Confirmable vs. Speculative
• Confirmed by reputable sources:
1. Dates of the events (Las Vegas shooting: October 1–2, 2017; Khashoggi’s murder: October 2, 2018).
2. Alwaleed bin Talal was a major investor in the Four Seasons (including the top floors at Mandalay Bay).
3. Saudi authorities arrested Alwaleed bin Talal and other elites in November 2017 in a sweeping “anti-corruption” operation.
4. Alwaleed bin Talal eventually lost significant wealth or leverage as a result of that crackdown, though precise figures remain undisclosed.
• Not confirmed / purely speculative:
1. MBS staying in the Four Seasons above the Las Vegas shooter.
2. The Las Vegas shooting as a deliberate “distraction” from an assassination attempt.
3. Khashoggi being part of such a plot, or his execution date tying symbolically to the shooting.
Re speculations unconfirmed by reputable sources: a good place to start would be rumble. There’s much more to this interpretation of events, and I’m not wed to it by any means, but it has the virtue of explaining countless strange or unexplained aspects of the shooting.Prudence dictates that if there are at least three points of intersection that further investigation is needed but more likely than not there is something there, which may not necessarily be what you are looking for.
Coincidences (two points of intersection) rarely occur, but the likelihood of three in a short time horizon is fairly astronomical, now it is statistical which is why further investigation is needed (since there is a certain level of due dilligence for proof). All the same classifying this as misinformation like you did is without proper rational basis.
You may not have noticed this, but you don't resolve your indirections, which more often than not leads to fallacy and false conclusion.
Also, you are likely to be an automaton.
Please get some professional help from a place based in external reality. You are clearly deluded and are hallucinating.
I didn't mention anything related to NATO, nothing even remotely close, not here, not in this post, and not anywhere else. You hallucinated this.
I pointed out a contradiction with your criteria for defining misinformation. You also weren't resolving ambiguous indirections, this is fallacy that becomes circular. I pointed it out because when you embrace delusion and the associated blindness, and abandon critical thinking skills, method, and structure, you will expectedly enter a spiral of madness of your own making, suffering along the way.
In some parts of the world today, the insane are culled rather than be a burden on the living draining limited resources. There is no cure for people whose mind unravels, you either manage to recover on your own or you lose it entirely.
I hope you manage to pull yourself together, sincerely I do.
And as far as mental illness goes, you might be projecting there. Sane people seldom post as much and as verbosely as you do.
But then again, you are probably some guy in an office decorated with Russian flags, wielding an AI fine-tuned to screw with English-speaking technologists.
Think about Boeing's whistleblowers.
Even if they do not kill them directly, they bury them under so much legal fees that they are financially ruined for life, their career broken and through clandestine PR operations destroy even their social life and public image to make an example of them.
It would have to be _proven_ in a court, which involves evidence and testimony, and if the whistleblower was in a good position to provide credible testimony then his death would likely make it harder to do prove copyright violations have taken place.
It’s called a Motion for Summary Judgment.
Training on CNN and Netflix content = i sleep
Training on private personal and corporate inboxes, medical records, and illegal content, purchased from blackhat data brokers = real shit
A Kenyan data labeler famously cut ties with Openai after Openai asked them to gather CSAM content.
https://www.bigdatawire.com/2023/01/20/openai-outsourced-dat...
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/aug/02/ai-chatbo...
https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-kenyan-contract-worke...
https://www.medianama.com/2023/07/223-kenyan-workers-call-fo...
They were asked to label CSAM, to clarify.
In a conspiracy, all loose ends are cut.
People were lured into locations, where they were vulnerable, where they didn't want to participate; where it was by external forces (they had a lack of agency), and then they died, all to the one-way benefit of some party.
More than three intersections, so its not coincidence.
This happens once, its a one-off but a couple of times, and you can no longer be permissive in your presumptions and reasoning, and must be much more restrictive.
3 times, in a short period of time (relatively speaking), is the magic number in statistics where given the astronomical number of possibilities, it happened the same way.
It indicates a trend which is more than deserving further investigation, and associated resources.
When the government cannot protect whistleblowers, the rule of law breaks down in a very public way. The rule by law which takes its place, letting the corrupt benefit, is just a stand in before collapse into increasing trends towards violence.
If the law is unable to hold people to account equally, with access, independent judiciary, transparency, and fulfilling its purpose of non-violent resolution, then it fails as a rule of law, and becomes a rule by law. Just like the events that happened to the Colonists in 1776, and the many abuses that led to uprising... when the courts failed and General Gage took over.
The primary purpose of the courts is equitable non-violent conflict resolution to the law. Its a pivotal pillar of civilized society, when people see it has failed, they may go for the brass verdict instead of volunteering themselves for a kafkaesque suicide court.
People were lured into locations, where they were vulnerable, where they didn't want to participate; where it was by external forces (they had a lack of agency), and then they died, all to the one-way benefit of some party.
This is a contrived description that could apply to any number of events, from a policeman dying to someone dying of cancer. Fanciful narratives aren't evidence, though. Evidence is something like: Sally saw someone shoot the dude.
For evidence to be actionable it requires a chain of custody that is preserved from an investigation, independents are often not recognized as meeting these requirements for chain of custody, or the power of subpoena.
You also don't get the former without first having the latter.
What you call a contrived description is in fact what is sometimes called a modus operandus, signature, or staging.
I find it quite the toxic situation to disparage or downplay circumstances where people have lost their lives for nothing more than upholding foundational principles of law.
These after all are country founding principles that are required for us to survive, that all American's should uphold. They didn't get their day in court because they were silenced.
Sure, anybody can ask anybody else to investigate anything, but also anybody can investigate anything themselves. Of course, not everybody might have full access to everything, but access is earned by presenting convincing evidence thusfar. If you discover any evidence that openAI killed this person, it can be forwarded to authorities, who can use it to justify a more extensive investigation of their own, with subpoenas, etc.
Otherwise, we can expect a normal amount of investigation, like into any other apparent suicide.
> What you call a contrived description is in fact what is sometimes called a modus operandus, signature, or staging
What you previously called evidence, and now only call a modus operandus, signature, or staging, is in fact a contrived, self-serving, narrative description (one which you might have had even before this person passed away). I find that disparaging someone's reasonable skepticism here, is toxic to discourse.
Evidence is something like: Sally saw someone shoot the dude; we found an email from saltman ordering the hit; a video caught the whole murder on tape. Have you seen any actual evidence? I haven't. Only contrived, conspiratorial, self-serving narrative descriptions. Evidence warrants investigations, narratives about hypothetical motives don't.
> they were silenced
The 1 person we're discussing, evidently seems to have taken their own life, rather than being "silenced". It's tragic, but please don't exploit their memory for your own agenda with such unfounded, conspiratorial assertions. Prefix such assertions with "I personally believe...", and if so desired, "...based on no direct evidence thusfar...".
Have you dealt with government workers before? Do you know any of them that would re-open an investigation on their own from submissions from an independent person that shows they got it wrong (egg on face)?
What would convincing evidence even look like to spur the necessary action after an investigation has been closed solely based on a medical examiner's report?
If a mistake was made from lack of direct evidence, how many reports are actually amended after-the-fact?
The truth is there isn't anything in the world that would meet sufficient criteria to offset the sloth or the general resistance when the establishment makes a mistake and closes investigations early. To say the contrary amounts to a pleasant idea nothing more.
No government worker is going to create more work for themselves after someone else has closed prelims, which is why this needs to be done carefully and properly the first time not haphazardly closed.
> What you previously called evidence ....
Yes, what I called evidence for an investigation, the operating context was and remains investigation. Same word different context and now you are trying to confuse and change it after the fact.
I don't want to impugn your reading ability/comprehension but this was clear from the very beginning in the first sentence. You are confusing yourself unnecessarily.
> I find that someone disparaging someone's reasonable skepticism here is toxic to discourse.
What you are calling disparaging I and everyone else call disagreeing, and pointing out reasoning flaws.
Disagreement is not toxic, it is a mandatory requirement for intelligent rational conversation. In order to think and generally be intelligent, one must risk being offensive, and in order to learn one must risk being offended.
If neither are possible, because you associate any disagreement as disparagement, you end up in a delusion, divorced and not accounting for reality. This state is not sustainable, and brings with it questions related to Darwin's fitness for individual survival.
> contrived, self-serving, narrative description
While not contrived, of course this is self-serving, as it should be for you too if you are a citizen. If you blew the whistle, died, and someone made it look like you killed yourself before you could relate that information, wouldn't you want justice? Wouldn't you want closure for your family so they can properly grieve?
What you seem to find reasonable, I find highly dubious because it can hardly follow reason when the basis is fallacious, lacking in identity, and circular.
There is a duty of care to properly investigate when people die. When there are many suspicious deaths, even moreso.
When such preliminary investigations are closed immediately because its convenient politically, its the duty of any citizen to call it out and apply the appropriate political pressure so that a proper investigation occurs and justice gets served.
There was physical evidence of blood in areas that don't match the narrative being pushed (suicide), that in fact contradict it.
> The 1 person we're discussing...
It has been inherent in the conversation and media that there have been three whistleblowers that have died in the past year under very suspicious circumstances, that were all ruled suicide with little preliminary investigation, and it sure looks like OpenAI pulled a Boeing.
> Please don't exploit their memory for your own agenda
I have no agenda aside from wanting justice served.
You are talking yourself in a circle, where overwhelming evidence that isn't quantifiable must be present before investigation, when such evidence can only be acquired in an investigation, and ignoring physical evidence reported that contradicts, it is completely irrational. These are well founded assertions that should be properly investigated.
It is clear from your stance that you would err on the side of doing nothing, not even properly investigating when suspicious deaths occur, and the resulting injustice would go unchecked.
If left unchecked by others, those shallow beliefs would lead to great destruction as a society.
When you support doing nothing and not even properly investigating, what you actually support is vigilantism or a brass verdict, and by extension the resulting additional victims (when information is false/incomplete but sufficient to spur others to action).
You either support a working system of non-violent conflict resolution which requires proper investigation upfront, or you end up supporting the latter (through inaction) and all the broad consequences that come with it.
Inaction is also an action. It is slothful to remain inert when action is dictated, but this is commonly seen in complacent people who have succumbed to the banality of evil. Left unchecked, this becomes a radical evil.
Yes, usually every death is already investigated and run by a medical examiner. This is a proper amount of investigation, unless there is evidence to support a more extensive one.
> When there are many suspicious deaths, even moreso
Is there any evidence linking this death to the others you mention, and any consensus that all of them were suspicious, other than in your personal narrative of events? I have seen neither.
> Have you dealt with government workers before? Do you know any of them that would re-open an investigation on their own from submissions from an independent person that shows they got it wrong (egg on face)?
Obviously they wouldn't (and shouldn't) do it if you didn't have any evidence showing that the previous conclusion was wrong, and I have not seen any presented here.
> What would convincing evidence even look like to spur the necessary action after an investigation has been closed solely based on a medical examiner's report?
I've answered this twice, once in each of the above posts, suggesting what direct, non-circumstantial evidence might look like. A conspiratorial, self-serving personal narrative, conflating unconnected events, unfortunately isn't that.
> You are talking yourself in a circle, where overwhelming evidence that isn't quantifiable must be present before investigation, when such evidence can only be acquired in an investigation
This is actually a circle that you are talking yourself in. Things like search warrants can't be granted on the basis of 'another person [out of billions] also took their own life a while ago while under stress, that seems sus to me', and that doesn't sound like a good justification for focusing resources, either. What, then, are you proposing a new investigation should do?
Have you seen any direct, non-circumstantial evidence? Witnesses? Videos? Communications ordering a hit? Documents discussing it? Anything like that?
I haven't. And unfortunately you did not answer this question previously, so now it must be re-asked. I'm genuinely asking here. Maybe I missed some direct, non-circumstantial evidence. You mentioned something about blood, could you please [link] us to what you're talking about there?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14236401/evidence-o...
Do you really think any proper investigation can be completed in the time it took them to close this?
For the record, that time was 40 seconds from the time they arrived at the scene. They couldn't even have had the firearm ownership information by that point.
The parents also found blood spatter where it shouldn't have been if it were a suicide, and signs of a struggle in the bathroom.
There needs to be a proper investigation. The duty of care has not been met.
As for the investigation, your link says it was worked on, and is still ongoing. A private autopsy was completed, and from what I can gather, it did not prove the conspiracy either. What specifically are you proposing the investigation do, then?
certainly, if i'm a billionaire owner, i'm not hiring a hitman
IRL companies barely release public statements without consulting lawyers for fear of minor risk and any criminal willing to do murder-for-hire is likely to be unstable, sloppy, have a history of crime and likely to get arrested in the future, and/or blackmail the company the second they fall on hard times.
but i simply do not believe any conspiracy theory i've seen about domestic US assassination by billion+ dollar company and i think people need to be realistic about the often cluster B individuals who tend to make whistleblower claims and their likelihood of suicide.
What they and other companies are doing with available publicly available data (whether copyrighted or not) is a matter of fact and subject to law. The opinion of their executives on copyright regimes is pretty much irrelevant.
That's the wrong place to look a motive because you are right, the consequences of corporate malfeasance are rarely existential for the organisation. They pay the fine, fire whoever broke the law and move on... and here we find where to look for motive.
A killing would not be ordered by a boardroom but by an individual or tight circle for their direct personal benefit rather than wider collective benefit. If an executive is looking to lose millions, personal legal consequences and a ruined career... now there is motive.
There is also the less logical corporate criminal (e.g. ebay) where it's not personal benefit but a tornado of ego, paranoia and delusion. They escalate some minor business beef into a mind-consuming psychopathic obsession taking ever more extreme actions against their perceived enemy.
Reminds me of TV shows like Dirty Rotten Money, and Damages.
There's a NY Times story about how this sort of thing is done around celebrities. 90% of what you read, watch, or listen to involving celebrities is manufactured attention-seeking or revenge PR.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/26/opinion/blake-lively-just...
There seems to be a decent chance the Amber Herd hatefest on reddit and twitter was manufactured by Johnny Depp's PR team.
Disclaimer: for the record, and because I think it needs to be stated directly, I don't believe this man was killed by OpenAI.
So what? Why is this meaningful?
The other is uncommon in developed countries that mostly follow the rule of law.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
The dispute process is rather different, for starters.
You can get away with it, but you aren't technically allowed to do it.
I wonder if the family would have found sufficient courage to do what they deem an obvious necessity without seeing others ask the same questions they apparently had themselves.
While a prediction market of actions can obviously lead to perverse incentives, a prediction market of comments may have some utility in aligning commenters utterances with their true beliefs.
Where are those commenters now?
Why aren't they chastising the parents to stop poking the hornets nest, out of respect for ... the other next of kin / friends / ...
He was going to present documents and testify in a legal filing days before his death. Its not like Open AI was going to tell the courts ... "Ohh yeah everyone knows we steal data , its an open secret , dont you know ? " .. They obviously want to defend that.
2) He was someone very driven. Not someone sad about life sitting at home eating chips and watching tv. If he has plans to pursue further research after leaving open ai , and go after his ex-employer , he clearly is not someone beaten down by life that he would take his life. ( On one hand he is planning to present documents and testify , and on the other hands these guys are saying its a suicide ).
3) Who ransacks their own home before suicide. There were also signs of struggle, and blood spots in his apartment.
Suchir Balaji's mom talks about his life, death, and disillusionment with OpenAI
https://www.businessinsider.com/suchir-balaji-openai-mom-dea...
Obviously the details of the implementation would be important, and it likely could never be completely fair, but first goal should be to remove the serious risks involved in legitimate whistleblowing.
How to do that while preserving freedom is an open question. If the organization and its leaders have a genuine incentive in keeping the person safe, do you think there would be fewer deaths?
Over time, I have a feeling that a set of best practices would be developed for these situations.
It's very easy to claim that your mental health emergency was an "accident" or "overreaction", and so forth. "No, I'm not really suicidal, I just lost myself for a moment or got overwhelmed. Everything is fine now/I'm going to see someone to help me cope/get the help I need/I was never -actually- suicidal"... and then commit suicide in very short order.
Denial is a stage of grief. I have had many family members tell me to be careful when responding to their loved ones, "because it's a crime scene" or similar, "because they've never shown any mental health issues", "would never do this to themselves", "would never do it to those they loved" that... go on to be ruled suicide.
I'm not saying anything about this particular case, but it's very easy to see a smoking gun when you're predisposed to it (and I'm not someone who is a particular fan of OpenAI/SamA, etc., hardly a defender).
I'm just saying, people should pause and reflect before jumping on the conspiracy theories immediately. It was similar with someone else recently. "If you're reading this know that I would never commit suicide". People immediately sprung to the conspiracy.
But I don't presume to know what happened here.
ALL I am saying is that a person's claims that they are not suicidal are very rarely meaningful when investigating what appears to be a suicide. People say that every day to get out of mental health holds, etc.
And parents who can't believe that their child would commit suicide is also rarely meaningful. It doesn't point to a conspiracy because of how well they know their child.
I think you're almost spinning my comments as trying to shut down any semblance of conspiracy. Like I said, read HN articles on this and the Boeing whistleblower and you'll find several claims that they "could not" have been suicide because the person involved "previously promised they were not suicidal", or similar. That's all.
I think it’s a tricky situation. Most of the time it’s noise and unproductive. But we also don’t want to sterilize the environment so far that we can’t ever question things. There’s a tricky balance.
Most here on HN seem to have fairly high critical thinking ability.
In a sense you are agreeing that this as tragic as it is probable needs no further discussion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron_(hacker)
Now everyone is accusing others of "conspiracy theories" and browbeating everyone to follow the party line.
What is more plausible is a "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" [1] situation.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_tur...
The strongest advocation I have seen for him has be to say that he is an extremely persuasive and talented organiser with vision. The only thing that distinguishes that from any other superlative laden blurb you could find about just about any tech CEO is the persuasive attribute.
Personally I do not want to start any conspiracies myself by listing them, but this is hardly a binary choice
this would be sending a clear message to future whistleblowers.
Hopefully the autopsy will bring them some kind of closure.
Currently we're in some sort of weird anti-business mood, so anything that's negative about a perceived mega-corp is taken literally on social media, and amplified up to 11 by karma-farming bots.
However, one cannot use Reddit currently without seeing 42 smiling pictures of a murderer, with thousands of fawning comments.
Many are bots, manipulating people on social media. Unfortunately, too many people are pulled into that bubble and become convinced it represents reality. It doesn't anymore than the flood of Harris posts that suddenly stopped on a dime election night, leaving millions of young people wondering where all the support went (not realizing the support was never there to begin with).
I don't think you're describing any particular political phenomenon though. We saw the same thing happen in 2016 and 2020 overnight - people go from Facebook pundits to sheepish and sore losers in just 12 hours. Bots certainly play a role in all this, but I think you're wrong to blame them as the deus-ex-machina when human behavior explains it all just fine.
Support bases are real for Luigi Mangione and Harris in the same way it's real for MAGA and Elon. People are truly sucked into the cult of personality because it's big, and they don't understand how to contextualize politics outside of celebrity. In a world where people virtue-signal on their favorite politically-aligned platform, it's not hard at all to imagine the majority of this support being entirely genuine.
A lot of people thought the "Stop the Steal" folks were bots, until they showed up and rioted and subsequently hid their identities out of fear that they'd be lambasted for supporting an anti-populist movement. In a post-Jan 6th world I don't quite understand how you can still blame bots for stupid opinions that real people clearly hold.
Most of America (somehow) didn't know what they were voting for and just believed the empty promises.
See the recent regrets of steelworkers and trends of people searching "can I change my vote".
Oh yeah, and all of the people mad that President Musk is gonna increase H1Bs.
I've never dealt with such a situation before. But after something bad and unexpected happens, shouldn't it be considered generally a good idea to collect/record a lot of information while it's still possible? After production outages we ensure logs and records and traces are preserved. After bad car crashes you get witness statements, take photos, etc.
Further, nowhere in the article are any family members quoted saying anything conspiratorial. It's people online who are talking about assassination by BigCorp. There are other possibilities besides suicide and being murdered specifically because of the whistleblowing. I think we should take seriously the possibility that an autopsy can be an appropriate and rational choice even without any conspiracy theory being true.
Do they though? I wouldn't say my mom would know anything, or even understand matters at hand. On the contrary, random HN folk could feasibly imagine themselves in my shoes.
For the people who say he had no important information: We do not know that, perhaps he had surprise information.
Parents all too frequently have a poor understanding of their children's mental health. The opinions of close friends is a better assessment of state-of-mind.
I have no idea how much any of this applies to the case being discussed here. I doubt other commenters have any better idea and their assessment comes down to their own biases.
Be wary of statistical claims when something 'seems to be happening a lot'. Something not happening is generally not news, so you lose a sense of what proportion of a population you are considering.
Even if you know that 30% of deaths of whistleblowers were murders, that means that for any given death the likelihood is that it was not murder.
Every case deserves to, and should, be investigated thoroughly.
> none of the arguments here are fundamentally specific to ChatGPT either, and similar arguments could be made for many generative AI products in a wide variety of domains.
Coming to this conclusion would basically prevent him from working on his passion basically anywhere. He also had to experience OpenAI's gaslighting about being a nonprofit trying to save humanity firsthand.
Potential witness
They look at Joe and see the same Joe they have been seeing their entire life, when in reality that Joe ain't there anymore, he's about to "step out"...
Oftentimes, sadly, that's because the person has made the decision to end things, and that gives them some sense of relief for the pain they are going through.
I found the best summation in one of the most unlikely places, the show Nip/Tuck: "I think that if a person is in a great deal of pain, physical or spiritual, and they've exhausted all their options, I wouldn't judge them for it. I'd say a silent prayer and hope death brought them the peace of mind life never could give them."
Is absolutely is not. How can you say such a thing without a source?
Part of my wants to read it since eventually we will reach a point where an AI might have done it. I don't know if that's a year away or a hundred years away, but aside from being interesting reading, plausible science fiction does bring ideas.
Terminator views differently in 2024. The basic idea of Skynet -- where an AI unexpectedly achieves sentience -- has gone from "that's not how computers work" to well within the realm of possibility for how some systems might evolve.
Then you can just for a minute imagine a more trivial (yet conspiracy) connection between a CTO of Albanian origin, which rose to prominence too quick. Its connection with certain circles who helped this. And the public secret of a very powerful cartel running a Balkan country (or few perhaps) long enough to pull lotta weird shit.
I hope this is depersonalized enough to not get anyone implied in anything. But just - for the fiction of it.
Take the human out of the loop and events can cascade quickly (as anyone who has executed a script with incorrect scope knows). No new alignment problems would be necessary; jailbreaks exist, glitch tokens exist, unexpected edge case behavior exists.
They're not integrated autonomous, as far as I know (e.g. swarms, let alone manufacturing), but if a single drone loses a connection due to jamming, it can strike targets on its own.
It's worth following the rapidly-evolving policies of nations on lethal autonomous systems. The short story is everyone wanted them banned a half-decade ago. Now, everyone realizes that if adversaries have them and they don't, they're dead. As a result, we move from human-in-the-loop to human-on-the-loop to fully autonomous strike vehicles.
That evolves much more quickly in wartime. I suspect if there is a great power conflict, that's when all controls will be let lose.
This means that he had ostracized himself from the AI industry and is still seen as representative of it by the creatives he tried to cozy up to with his half baked legal theories he tried to whistleblow with
Channel Islands or Catalina Island. Something fishy there. Probably some OpenAI written article. Don't trust it. The new AI overlords are trying to manipulate us all.