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Toyota bet the farm on mature hybrid and ICE tech and got dismissed as some legacy boomer company for doing so.

Time will tell but I'm willing to bet they were right.

Dismissed by whom? They're the biggest automaker and until recently their lifetime shipments of batteries in cars had been larger than Tesla's.

By those living in the delusion that the US will be 100% EV production in the next few years when the charging infrastructure is woefully inadequate. No one is questioning EV drivetrains but there are very real logistical and electrical supply issues that are being ignored.

California can barely keep the lights on as it is. This doesn't even scratch the surface that most are not the privileged few with at-home charging.

Yes ICE seems to still be a requirement for not very well developed countries.

Nobody thinks EVs will replace 100% of vehicles in the next few years. This is the premise I constantly hear from people trying to argue that the power infrastructure isn't ready. EV ownership, charging availability, and per infrastructure are all growing slowly and in tandem and there's no reason to expect otherwise.

Nobody does, except some people. The belief that EVs will promptly replace the entire fleet is implicit in the claim that EVs can solve short-term greenhouse gas emissions goals by 2030, 2035 or 2040. Such claims are often used to naysay pedestrian, bicycle and transit projects that have a higher likelihood of achieving those greenhouse gas emissions goals. Obviously the belief is ridiculous because even if EVs were 100% of fleet sales today, they would not be 100% of the fleet on the road for a long time. And in America they are not remotely close to 100% of sales.

Are you sure you didn’t exaggerate? Any examples of those who believe EV will be 100% sales, or that EV can solve greenhouse gas emission goals in the next 15 years?

I’ve never heard of that, and even in countries like Norway where new car sales are predominantly EVs, it will be a long time until it can replace the entire fleet.

I am sure there are loads of people in America who say we don't need to do [thing] because EVs are coming. I don't press these people on their arithmetic because they aren't arguing in good faith, they just hate [thing].

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