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I really can't resonate with this. The type system is obnoxious (and you don't even get proper memory safety out of it), the "most vexing parse" truly is vexatious, there's all the weirdness inherited from C like pointer decay (and then building new solutions like std::array on top while being unable to get rid of old ways of doing things), and of course the continued reliance on a preprocessor to simulate an actual module import system (and the corresponding implications for how code for a class is organized, having to hack around with the pimpl idiom etc....)

Essentially, the warts are too large and numerous for me to find any inner beauty in it any more.

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> and of course the continued reliance on a preprocessor to simulate an actual module import system

C++ modules are supposedly meant to save the day. Although only recently have the big three compilers (GCC, Clang, MSVC) reached some form of parity when compiling modules.

I mean, this is all anecdotal, but I've only ran into the most vexing parse a few times, I rarely had to use the pimpl idiom, and the header file stuff... okay that isn't great. I've been a c++ dev for 10 years and I actually worked on an extremely old codebase and was involved in modernizing it is to C++11. Maybe I'm too C++ brained, but all those things just aren't that bad? There is no wartless language and you just deal with the warts of the language you're in and it's your responsibility to learn the details of the language.

I can deal with all the warts but I'm not really having a blast.

The header stuff is pretty bad. The rest are strange choices of stuff to complain about. The vexing parse was never a big deal and these days with bracket initialization (which only rarely you can't use) even less. The pimpl idiom: not sure why it's really a problem. Plus you have many choices for type erasure in c++.

>The vexing parse was never a big deal

I definitely got bit by it multiple times.

>The pimpl idiom: not sure why it's really a problem.

Because it's even more boilerplate and adds indirection in a place where you might have been painstakingly trying to avoid it (where the first indirection costs you all your cache coherency). C++ lets you go out of your way to avoid objects having to carry any overhead for virtual dispatch if you aren't going to use it; but then you might have to choose between rerouting everything through a smart pointer anyway or suffering inordinately long compile times. Nothing to do with type erasure (if I'm thinking clearly, anyway).

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