That seems like most people who are healthy and military age are atleast somewhat OK with it. Its also excluding people who don't vote and have had their voting rights taken away.
About a quarter of under-30 men and a fifth of under-30 women. For comparison, about 20% of Americans "think holding neo-Nazi views is" acceptable [1].
> excluding people who don't vote and have had their voting rights taken away
Where do you see the 2% of Americans [2] who have had their voting rights taken away being excluded by either poll? (Not challenging. That's just methodologically impressive.) Either way, none of what you're citing is material to an 80/20 margin.
I have friends in that 17%. But I also know people who thought Kari Lake was a shoe in, "defund the police" would work or that every guy is an incel. Echo chambers are powerful, especially online, where they can convince a quarter of a single demographic that they're in the majority on celebrating a dude capping a stranger in broad daylight.
[1] https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-neo-n...
[2] https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/locked-out-2022-es...
Edit: Just noticed statistical manipulation is your job and you're maybe in a similar tax bracket
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I’m saying 20% of Americans can be found who believe almost anything. 20% of Americans supporting something is basically background.
> selectively moving groups around with your statistics to try and use simple numbers to make it seem like you're always right
I’m slicing the data to present a number bigger than 17%. I’m trying to find a group in which a majority support Mangione who aren’t on the far fringes of society. If you’re upset about the slicing and dicing you’re confirming my point.
> the vast majority of people under 40 (military age) finding it ok with Brian getting shot
Where do you see this?
18 to 29 is the most favourable bloc for Mangione, and there favourability is 39%. Not a majority let alone a vast majority. And that’s being generous by combining in somewhat favourable.
The Lizardman's Constant is lower than 20%, more like 4% for the survey result that gave rise to the name — and also, despite the name, not constant: https://gwern.net/note/lizardman
Sadly, this also means that your chosen example, instead of illustrating your claim, actually has something to say about the state of the American Overton Window when it was taken.
Lizardman’s Constant is, per Gwern, “‘jokester’ or ‘mischevious responders’.” They’re being disingenuous; think: “deez balls” voters.
I don’t think the 17% of respondents who think favourably of Mangione are trolling. I don’t think the 10% flat earthers (or, including those who are “unsure” about the Earth’s roundness, 19%) are bullshitting [1].
There is simply about a fifth of the population—and it’s a moving fifth, there isn’t a permanently-braindead section—that tends to respond one way in just about any survey about fringe or stupid theories. So 17% supporting Mangione (while making it seem like it’s everyone online) isn’t particularly surprising. (Even if a good fraction of them are responding provocatively for fun.)
[1] https://carsey.unh.edu/publication/conspiracy-vs-science-sur...