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Since OpenAI bills you for tokens expended on chain-of-thought, I assume this "deliberative alignment" has the funny side-effect of making you pay for the time the model spends ruminating on whether it should refuse to do what you asked it to do. Talk about adding insult to injury.

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Maybe the most convincing argument yet that this is similar to how humans think.

Okay, but is this similar to how humans bill you?

Yes, a lawyer could refuse your case after consulting them and their time considering the case.

and sometimes they charge $1k per hour and still not have solutions after that hour

The point of technology is to make our lives easier and cheaper. There's no point to have chatgpt to charge this way other than to make the capitalist owners more money.

Otherwise the self-serve machines at Mcdonalds should cost the company the same as an employee with a fair salary. Mass assembly lines building cars and machines should cost the same as 100+ workers including costs of health benefits and breaks.

I’d imagine the point is for you to pay for resources used… considering your prompt still costs money.

How often does this happen? I’ve consulted lawyers for an hour who refused to support my case , and was billed nothing

At the lowest end of the industry it’s common to get free consultations because it’s too much expense for individuals otherwise, but in corporate law or higher end services I believe it’s much less common.

I’ve been to a lawyer once, and this happened. I got billed and told to go to a different lawyer.

I don’t really see this any differently from an API billing you per call and still billing you for calls that where you pass in wrong credentials and get unauthorized error responses

I don't think I've ever seen an API bill for incorrect credentials, or even anything that returns a non-200?

So … hypothetically, I Spent $5 on tokens to figure out the answer - then got an answer that my answer is blocked !

using the service is optional and they're clear about how pricing works, though

one can always refuse to use

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