Comment by turbojet1321 | Hacker News Reader

Comment by turbojet1321 | Hacker News Reader

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I'm sympathetic, but this can have issues if you want your API to be used by anything other than your own client, including stuff like logging middleware. A lot of tools inherently support/understand HTTP status codes, so building on top of that can make integration a lot easier.

We, very roughly, do it like this:

- 200: all good

- 401: we don't know who you are

- 403: you're not allowed to do that

- 400: something's wrong and you can fix it

- 500: something's wrong and you can't fix it

Each response (other than 401) includes a json blob with details that our UI can do something with, but any other consumer of the API or HTTP traffic still knows roughly what's going on.

I've worked in places where we really sweated on getting the perfect HTTP status codes, and I'm not sure it added much benefit.

On POST - I find myself doing logical GETs with POST a lot, because the endpoint requires more information than can be conveyed in URL params. It makes me feel dirty, and it's obviously not RESTful but you know - sometimes you just have to get things done.

You've just described basically everything a dev needs to know to implement HTTP APIs that report status codes properly, yet some people still seem to think it's oh so complicated. What has gone wrong?

I can understand how people might look at all the full list status codes and think it's all too hard, but yes, once you realize that there are only a handful you need most of the time it all becomes pretty simple.

Sure, but the problem in my opinion is that while the handful that you pick is totally reasonable, someone else might pick a slightly different handful that's just as reasonable. If I want to use a new API and delete a user, how do I know if it uses DELETE or POST, and if it will return 401 or 403? At best, you'll be able to skim through the documentation more quickly due to having encountered similar conventions before, but nothing stops that from happening in terms of request and response bodies either.

The fact that existing tooling relies on some of these conventions is probably a good enough reason to do things this way, but it's not obvious to me that this is because it's actually better rather than inertia. Conventions could be developed around the body of requests as well, and at least to me, it doesn't seem obvious that the amount of information conveyed at the HTTP method/response status layer was necessary to try to separate from the semantics of the request and response bodies. I'm sure that a part of that was due to HTTP supporting different content types for payloads, but nowadays it seems like quite a lot of the common alternatives to JSON APIs were designed not to even use HTTP (GraphQL, gRPC, etc.), which I'd argue is evidence that HTTP isn't necessarily being used as well for APIs as some people would like.

To make something explicit that I've been alluding to, everything I've said is about using APIs in HTTP, not HTTP in the context of viewing webpages in a browser. It really seems like a lot of the complications in HTTP are due to it trying to be sufficient for both browsers and APIs, and in my opinion this comes mostly at the expense of the latter.

It's quite unclear what's your point. HTTP APIs should have minimal status code set. Parent described it perfectly. It's simple, practical (especially from monitoring perspective) and doesn't intervenes with a service domain.

It seems you have some alternative in mind but it wasn't presented.

I don't consider what the parent comment listed as "minimal". The alternative I described is literally in my initial comment; using only 200 for APIs is "minimal".

It's minimal if you want to integrate with anything that understands HTTP status codes.

Only 200 is detrimental for monitoring. You have to parse response body to classify response types. HTTP status codes is a cheap and already existing way to get insights into service behavior.

Need an AI playground to paste error responses and fix the code.

> Each response (other than 401) includes a json blob with details

...until you discover an intermediate later strips the body of certain error codes. Like apache, which IIRC includes all 5xx and most 4xx.

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