Eliminating Daylight Savings Time would make the average American’s life darker
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S254245482...
Besides, it's not like standard time is any more natural than daylight savings. The whole adherence to a strict twenty-four hour cycle is unnatural. In antiquity, people would plan their days around sunrise and sunset, and their bodies would gradually adjust to the seasonal shortening and lengthening of daylight with no abrupt transition necessary.
The question is whether there are any downsides from abruptly changing wake cycles twice a year. That article does seem to bound the cardiac risks somewhat, but there's also the auto accident angle. There's also just the human suffering: stepping the clocks sucks.
> and their bodies would gradually adjust to the seasonal shortening and lengthening of daylight with no abrupt transition necessary.
Yah, but there's nothing gradual or natural about a 1 hour society-wide step in wakeup times.
I'm not saying that people or businesses should never adjust what they're doing for daylight or other considerations. DST is a ham-fisted, blunt approach attempting to crudely fix the problem just by stepping society's clock.
I think that's probably worse than some additional waking darkness, whether it's in the morning or the evening. We're pretty good at artificial lighting these days.
Doctors have been warning us for decades that switching is worse than just anachronistic as well.
Side note, year round DST, eliminating the penny, implementing a flat tax, these DOGE initiatives remind me of middle school persuasive essay topics where we were randomly assigned for/against and graded on how well we could use spell check and cite howstuffworks.com in APA format.
Yes, We want to logically make midday be when the sun is directly overhead. (Split sunlight hours evenly in half)
But human nature is that it takes a little longer to get going each day and this helps us align daylight with human nature.
If we're going to bother again, we should at least go with standard time this instance.
As I like to say in some meetings when we come to a compromise ... "Is everyone equally unhappy now?"
* permanently staying on standard time
* permanently staying on dst
* shifting between the two every spring/fall
we permanently stay at a time that's 30 minutes between standard and DST
In PST today, December 21, Sunrise was just before 8 am and sunset will be around 4:20 pm. Change that to PDT and we have sunrise just before 9 am and sunset around 5:20 pm.
The coldest time of the day tends to be in the morning before sunrise. On foggy days the fog is more likely in the morning than in the evening. When it freezes the roads are more likely to be icy in the morning. Even if the air temperature doesn't get above freezing all day there is a chance that sunlight during the day might heat the roads enough to melt the ice by evening.
Because of all this if you have to travel in the dark, whether as a driver or as a pedestrian or cyclist, you will generally prefer evening dark to morning dark.
In addition to the asymmetry between morning and evening weather there is also an asymmetry in traffic intensity. Pick any two random people and compare what times they travel to and from work or school.
Their morning travel times are more likely to be closer together than their evening travel times. Offices all start at about the same time, so you get office workers all coming at about the same time. Similar for elementary school start times, and middle schools start times, and high school start times.
At the other end of the day first you've got schools getting out which generally happens a couple hours before offices let out. Second, workers tend to leave work over a wider range of times than they arrive. You've got people who stay late to get something done (much more common than people who go in early). You've got people who do errands after work before heading home.
So at latitudes like that of Seattle permanent DST pushes the morning commute farther into worse weather and the morning commute is the one this is already the highest risk because it is the more concentrated commute and it is the one with the most overlap between adults driving for work and kids walking or biking for school.
Permanent standard time also is better for our circadian rhythms than permanent DST.
Most people here are too young to remember this, but the US tried year around DST in the '70s due to an oil supply disruption caused by war in the mideast. They thought permanent DST would lower energy consumption. It turns out it didn't have affect energy consumption much, but it was pretty much universally hated for the downsides I listed above and ditched after a year.
Then adjust the time zones so northern states are one zone earlier.
Honestly, I think now it’s just better to go to work/school in the dark to get an hour more after work to play/be in the world. Obviously each city is different, but Seattle is miserable in the winter and it would be way more fun to have sunset at 5:15pm instead of the current 4:15pm. People don’t play catch or go to parks before school, they do it after so the darkness is partially painful for loosing time to hang with kids.
That said, the anecdotes about the 70s are super interesting. I was not alive then, but I wonder if work schedules were quite a bit different from they are now to account for the difference in thinking? I know plenty of people leaving at 7am to beat traffic across the bridge (well before sunset with or without dst). Perhaps in the 70s people just left at 7:30am specifically to make it to work at 8am and the sunset time mattered more then our world of 2 hour rush hour and hybrid remote work?
Is more than that, and is not just traffic. How many deaths would be caused by losing losing a few minutes of light in summer?
You should move to DST like lives depend on it. Because they actually do.
Why? Businesses can't switch operating hours during summer or events like sports and concerts can be schedulled earlier or later?
It's a bogus argument either way.
Now I am in the blessed position of working from home again, I can choose when I get up. What I choose is this:
- for 26 weeks of the year (broadly from spring equinox to autumn equinox) I get up at 7am (which would be 6am in the absence of DST)
- for 6 weeks of the year (broadly centred on the winter solstice) I get up at 7:45am
- it takes 10 weeks for me to switch from getting up at 7am to getting up at 7:45am: I get up 2 minutes later every day for 5 weeks, and 1 minute later every day for another 5 weeks (and the clocks go back during this)
- it takes me 10 weeks to switch the other way: I get up 1 minute early every day for 5 weeks, then 2 minutes earlier every day for another 5 weeks
I do this to maximise the amount of daylight I get during the winter, without having to get up in the dark.
The point of me telling you all this is: the hard part is not getting up at a different time every day for 10 weeks. The hard part is synchronising with people who are essentially living in a different time zone.
This is why I don't do this when I work in an office, even just one day a week: I can change when I get up by a minute or two every day, but the trains won't change when they run by the same amount. That 9am meeting I need to be in the office for is still going to be at 9am, and the guy who controls when it starts won't agree to move it.
When I work in an office, I can't choose my timezone. Neither can you. Neither can anyone else.
(The dates I target aren't really the equinoxes/solstices. What I actually care about is the latest sunrise, which is a week and a half after the winter solstice, and shift everything accordingly.)
And this is the whole point - DST gives those whose work schedules aren't flexible an hour of extra usable daylight at the time of year when it is available and pleasant to be outside.
It’s like one of those old tricks for scrolling raster graphics. If you want to move the screen over five pixels, you can copy everything in VRAM over five bytes, or you can add five to the base address register and everything moves automatically on the next frame.
>“Making Daylight Saving Time permanent is OK with me!” Mr. Trump posted on social media in March 2019.
I presume by "ending Daylight Saving Time" he meant making DST permanent and ending the process of changing, which seems to be what everyone agrees is the right thing to do.
Just so I understand the other side of the argument: where is the purported inefficiency of keeping DST coming from?
From that it makes an (incorrect) assumption about the value of AM sunlight over PM sunlight and declares that all-year DST is pointless.
In my opinion the only argument against all-year DST which holds any water at all, and even then not much, is the concern about kids going to school in the dark. However, since many places don't have enough winter daylight to go around, trade-offs need to be made and kids are probably better off on-net having daylight time during their free time instead of while eating their toast inside and commuting to school.
My trail of crumbs from experience: And what about all the daylight savings time software logic that is baked into critical systems which require perpetual uptime supporting said modern society? I ask this question because I have personally written daylight savings time management into several software systems and this 'old code' just works and has for decades. Now if that 'old code' is no longer needed, who is going to change it? If that code does get changed then how will it be deployed to those 'old' systems? I have so many more relevant questions for those not thinking about the impacts of this change but I do not want to overwhelm anyone reading up to this point. Consider for a moment your own devices that have a 24 hour clock contained within. It is beyond obvious to those of us who practice big picture thinking in which we know that the "majority" does not maintain their devices and with time being a core factor of most technology changing our implementation of time will therefore break a lot of that technology.
Should such a change occur it is not something that can be 'walked' in when business feels like doing it and therefore it IMMEDIATELY becomes a top priority for any technology impacted that MUST adopt the change. Another Y2K like event coming for those that lived the original one. We are certain to see a failure of several systems and one can only hope that changing time doesn't equate to those systems invoking loss of life because those with experience on such matters know that losses of all kinds are certain to happen, just give it time.
Define 7pm as sunset.
Let the datetime and timezone maintainers figure the rest out.
Opening times: May-November 09:00-18:00 June-October: 10:00-19:00 For example