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If you're in a hiring position and hire anyone who uses agile as anything but a way to blend in with all the bullshit today you should quit and do something more productive with your life, like watching paint dry.

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If you're in a hiring position and don't even know what "agile" means, please go do a more appropriate job.

That's the beauty of it, it means what ever you want it to mean.

You might feel like that, but it's only because you don't know it describes a category. As I said, please find a more appropriate job if you're in a hiring position.

When even the founders of agile are telling everyone else they are doing it wrong it is truly a word without a definition.

What founders of agile, there's no such thing. Maybe you mean the authors of the Agile Manifesto? Or what? Are you conflating Scrum and agile?

nah it's pretty clear at this point agile is mainly waterfall with more unnecessary meetings and stress.

It can hurt to swallow a lot of the BS, but you can fight the good fight inside these companies, one guerrilla incursion at a time. Some of use do still exist in management, or at least believe we still hold true to the conceptual integrity of what agile means vs. what it has become.

You only get to execute the nuclear option once (i.e. quit) so yes you need to understand where the line is, but there's almost always a better option.

Feel free to email me about starting an insurgency, that's basically the only way I can see motivating myself to ever go back in big tech or big corp.

It just takes time and patience to get the sort of political capital that you need to make change. You wait for disasters to happen because of incompetence and then you pounce. There's also a finesse to it though, half of the battle is convincing the right people that they had these ideas in the first place. I also employ the "whisper campaign" often. Just seeding ideas in various conversations lightly, once people start to say them in conversations without you prompting it you know your job is done.

Yeah, I have better things to do with my life.

You're also making the (bad) bet that the disaster will be small enough to not wipe out the company but big enough that management notices.

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