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The

  brew install cyphernetes

at the top of the page is an immediate turn-off.

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Agree but I'm not sure why. I'm not a mac user so the initial impression is like "this isn't for you, go away". At least add a linux command alongside it!

Homebrew has a Linux variant, but I assume almost nobody uses it.

Personally use a Mac with Nix, and so do many of my coworkers. Assuming Homebrew, even for a Mac user, leaves a bad impression on me.

I also prefer Mac with Nix over homebrew.

Thanks for the feedback. Will add more commands there on rotation to show the different installation options.

Even on macOS, brew is wildly inferior to MacPorts; to be fair, brew is “blessed” by Swift Package Manager whereas MacPorts is not, but this is ironic given the guy behind MacPorts both worked at Apple and designed the original FreeBSD ports system.

That's the very weird thing about the little universe within Apple's macOS, there are pockets of very high quality here and there, next to "what the fuck are you guys even doing?", and a Unix core that's been effectively bastardized, abandoned, and frankenstein'd

Instead of Compton a short ride from Beverly Hills it's like the houses from those two wildly different hoods all stacked in a repeatedly alternating sequence.

I think the overall quality level on Macs is leagues above anyone else, even the UNIX stuff (I personally prefer the BSD utils to the GNU ones, which pretty much anyone else running POSIX stuff is using unless they’re daily-driving an actual BSD.

I just don’t get why Apple would hire Jordan Hubbard for their UNIX team, see him implement a very well thought out version of the standard package manager of all time that he also wrote, and then decide to use brew as their blessed package manager for their various open source releases, .systemLibrary in Swift packages, etc.

      go run github.com/avitaltamir/cyphernetes/cmd/cyphernetes@v0.14.0 --help

It would be good to have some example commands that can be ran right after installation, rather than having to figure out how to run the queries.

why?..

Kubernetes only runs on linux, so it follows to reason if you care about k8s you should care about linux. My experience is also that good experienced sysadmins often use linux for their own machines as well.

Targetting a tool at macOS users, and omitting linux instructions, gives the impression that the tool isn't targeted at sysadmins or hackers (i.e. at us), but rather at beginners, frontend developers, etc.

I'm a "sysadmin". I only run Linux on my workstation. I even run NixOs on a home server. I manager Kubernetes clusters. Yet, I use Homebrew on Linux.

Most, however, do not, nor should they be expected to. Homebrew is not a safe or viable package manager, especially when better and safer package managers exist in the Linux ecosystem.

Saying it's targeted at beginners because it supports MacOS shows a lot of disconnection with what many DevOps people use these days. The year of the linux desktop has yet to arrive, and Mac is king for people in IT (at least in the US)

I have yet to meet a competent sysadmin that cares much about "desktop", and to the extent they do they mostly seem to invent their own graphical tools, with Tcl/Tk and so on.

Are they common where you live?

Brew runs on linux too..

What? I love seeing this. I want to see how to get it quickly via package manager.

Not everyone uses the same package manager that you use.

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