So now let's also not do any research on for example... Social Networks. It's not that they are a relevant aspect of modern life worthy of careful observation. Don't dare look closely into what the overlords are doing.
So now let's also not do any research on for example... Social Networks. It's not that they are a relevant aspect of modern life worthy of careful observation. Don't dare look closely into what the overlords are doing.
(Maybe quite a lot. I really don't know.)
I can't speak to Protestant / "Christian" schools because theirs is a very different religion but a Catholic education is 12 years of moral philosophy and formal ethics. It's just filtered through the writings of prominent Catholic theologians whose ideas are informed by but ultimately separate from the bible.
Despite being an atheist I think my theology classes were the most valuable ones I had growing up because more so than any other class, even math which would go on to study, they taught me how to think for myself. I'm sad a secular version of it isn't taught everywhere as standard curriculum.
I do get though, why systems of power want to defund things like philosophy and sociology. Good questions and good data are two things that run counter to the willful exercise of power.
You wasted $150,000 on an education you coulda got for $1.50 in late fees at the public library.
Philosophy in specific is one long argument, 2500 years of new people showing up and saying, "Well that guy's wrong and I'm right." So much of what I needed to know to make sense of philosophical arguments is either hugely scattered or not written down at all. It was vastly more efficient just to hire an expert.
That's not to argue for the $150k education; I wouldn't know. But I don't think that taking life advice from fictional characters is much better.
Does the rest of the movie support that claim? Will Hunting had book smarts but required significant effort from several people to get him to the point where he was ready to meaningfully apply his intelligence.
I've hired a handful of folks who learned solely by self-study and while none of them required the level of support Will did, they all took significantly more effort to get to the point where they contributed productively than hires who attended university or had previously collaborated with experts.
Not saying that requires a degree, but even the most brilliant people benefit from collaborating with like minds.
The negative feedback loops are particularly hard to set up by yourself. At some point if you're going to be at the researcher level (construed broadly), you need help from others in developing sufficient dept, rigor and self-criticality. Others can poke holes in your thoughts with an ease that you probably can't muster on your own initially; after you've been through this a number of times you learn your weaknesses and can go through the process more easily. Similarly, the process of preparing for comprehensive exams in a PhD (or medical boards or whatever) is extremely helpful, but not something most people would do by themselves--the motivation to know a field very broadly and deeply, so you can explain all of this on the spot in front of 5 inquisitors, is given a big boost by the consequences of failure, which are not present in the local library.
The time is also a hard part. There are relatively few people with the resources to devote most of their time for learning outside of the classroom. I spent approximately 12,000 hours on my PhD (yes some fraction of that was looking at failblog while hungover etc. but not much). You could string that along at 10 hours a week, 50 weeks a year, which is a 'serious hobby', but it would take you 24 years. How much of the first year are you going to remember 24 years later? How will the field have changed?
But it does happen intentionally that way some times for sure. E.g., the way the US's Dickey Amendment defunded gun research to prevent any inconvenient facts from coming to light.
I think good professors that focus on that are the exception and not the rule, sadly.
I am in New Zealand
I have been through the university system here, my family still closely involved
A great deal of critical thinking happens in New Zealand universities
On the other hand Western democracies largely seem to fund this kind of "exploratory and associative free-will" to the benefit of their aristocracies (i.e. wealthy people who hold a lot of social, economic and often political power but can not actually directly control the government itself despite often benefiting from selective enforcement) while at the same time clearly being aware that ideas like the state monopoly of violence (even in the US) or the "right for a country to defend itself" are vital to the state's continued existence and that democracy is a threat to that ulterior motive if taken too seriously.
China seems to be an example of a "disciplined obedience" system adapting to its economic environment (more the international one than the internal one) whereas "the West" seems to provide examples of systems creating layers of misdirection to hide their inherent "disciplined obedience" based nature that ensures their self-preservation.
So the "they" here isn't a unified, coordinated group. But you'll rarely find those in structural problems. But there is a "they" in the sense that we can define a set of people who will act to oppose critical thinking either through direct self interest or class interest.
I would argue that, in periods of scarcity, it makes sense to prioritize public spending on what has a more tangible economic ROI. I recognize that I am extrapolating from the fact that STEM related jobs tend to be more remunerative than social science.
I could not find any literature regarding ROI of research programs.
Also, ROI is the wrong frame to use for government activity. If something has significant short-term ROI, then normal commercial capital's a good match. If it has large long-term ROI, then that's VC's domain. It's government's job to make investments in public goods, things that don't have ROI in the sense usually meant here.
Every potential decision outcome has a ROI (which we mostly don't know in advance, though we can often guess). The investments for which we need governments are those that won't ever work in the private sector due to misaligned incentives (no company will pay out of its own pocket to educate young children, not because there's no ROI overall but because it's much too diffuse -- the ROI for that company is extremely low).
People can disagree about whether government should also make some investments that would also be made by self-interested people/companies.
I agree one can broaden it to mean something much vaguer, using it metaphorically. But A) I think we at least have to explicitly distinguish that, and B) I think casting societal questions in business terms is a perilously wrong frame, one easily leading to all sorts of errors of thought, ones that have negative social implications.
Just as an example, we could take Elon Musk's recent swipe at funding to fight homelessness. There he uses a common business framing and ends up with some conclusions that are deranged from the point of view of people actually working on the problem. Which wouldn't matter much if he were some random internet commenter, but here his error could have a significant body count.
I tend to agree with you that public spending would be wasted or even misdirected in optimizing for direct ROI (EG prison system, education, healthcare...)
I should have better specified in my original response.
These are things which shape our world, it’s worth understanding them at a level which doesn’t fit on a bumper sticker – and, right-wing mythology aside, the cost is not very high. Academics are cheap and their work almost always has spin-off benefits, even if that’s just providing a place for people to learn general research skills they take on to the workplace.
And I could keep going, but you get the idea. Any one of those could be a hundred research projects.
Even if your sole goal was to regulate them out of existence, you'd need a lot more than "I think Facebook is bad". You'd at least need a solid enough definition of the problem to craft the ban in such a way that it stuck. But that's a very unlikely outcome, so most of the people working on this are looking to minimize harm while maximizing value, and that just requires a lot of detailed research. For example, compare Facebook vs Mastodon, or vs HN. Do we ban them all, because "social networks bad"?
Social media is a similar type of problem. You probably can't outright ban them, in democratic countries there is too much demand and there would be backlash. Even if not, underground social media would arise, as it does already in countries where it is restricted. Can you regulate it? If so, what works? Certain ages? Restrict algorithmic curation? Chang liability rules? Better educate people about the costs and benefits and good use? Enable more heavy handed censorship and content filtration? Require real names and public have strong libel laws that are enforced? What about foreign ownership or influence campaigns? Corporate advertising? Monopoly and anti-truest issues? What about standards around interoperability and federation? Should they be free, or require subscriptions?
Tons of stuff to figure out.
I am in New Zealand
The people behind d this policy do not think there is "Tons of stuff to figure out."
They are like many commentators here, they (think they) know it all.
It is, I hope, the last gasp of the old Thatcherist guard. "There is no such thing as society...just individuals "
They see everything through a materialistic lense, are desperate to reduce taxes (it is a fetish), and are doing incredible damage to the infrastructure of our society
Politics, sigh
The government they replaced (earnest left wing types) had some good ideas but were very centrist, paternal, and astoundingly incompetent
The prognosis is not good for my home country
Most annoyingly to me there is no true green party to vote for. The actual NZ green party's primary focus is on what would be labeled socialist outcomes by someone with a US perspective.
This is a social network
Most historical debate these days is also pretty subjective, egos-versus-egos for clicks and likes (and research money) Don't get me started on the subjective biases of social "science"
This is just absolutely factually wrong and betrays a total lack of understanding of the field. History manuscripts are released constantly that are investigating and discussing contents of the archive that have been sitting in a box unexamined since the time of their creation. Even if you take the outrageously limited view of history that it just exists to document the past, we make significant progress constantly.
There's also no research money in the field for egos to squabble over. Research grants for historians are regularly in the "couple of thousand dollars" range.
Yes and developing new commercially viable tech pays for one's future.
But do you really think state sponsored research gets you commercial success? I wonder if there is a better way?
If you do not study the society you live in how do you act in a socially positive way? How do you know what public services are even required if you refuse to look?
To who's benefit?
That is why social research is as important. Otherwise all the good tech will reinforce tho old injustices. None of us want that, I assume