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For those who want to know the most consistent UFOlogy angle that wasn't invented last week: Over on 4chan there was an alleged leaker and follow ups back in 2023 who says that there's an underwater ET mothership off the east coast that produces 3-d printed made to order small anti-gravity drones that launch and do various tasks to monitor us. Anything that approaches the underwater mothership is destroyed before they even know they're under attack. They treat us like zoo animals, have been here for at least 100 years, and mostly ignore us except when we get trigger happy with nuclear weapons[1]. This is largely consistent with "The Crowded Galaxy" resolution to the Fermi Paradox[2].

From a UFOlogy angle, America trying to start WWIII with Russia might have something to do with all this uptick in drone activity since there was a huge amount back in the 40s and 50s when we were also at the brink with the USSR.

[1] https://imgur.com/a/4chan-whistleblower-NXjWQaN

[2] https://botsfordism.substack.com/p/the-crowded-galaxy

> Anything that approaches the underwater mothership is destroyed before they even know they're under attack.

Let me guess, it is parked in the "Bermuda Triangle".

It's easy to make theories when you are unburdened by evidence.

Yup, but it only attacks military targets that are threat. Otherwise it just hides deeper.

Looking forward to a spin off of ancient aliens on this haha Evidence smevidence! Aliens!

If they have craft that can travel between solar systems then our military technology is not a threat. Besides, why make your presence known when you can just hide deeper from everybody? People tend to notice with multi-million dollar craft manned by people with families suddenly go missing, especially in American waters at peacetime with modern geolocation and communications technologies installed.

If fully manned Navy frigates and destroyers were vanishing without warning or explanation there is zero chance of keeping a lid on that. Way too many people involved, many of which are civilians.

There used to be no evidence at all, but now you have David Grusch who was given explicit authorization to talk to people in unacknowledged special access programs about UAPs and he said under oath before congress that yes, there are crashed ET craft with biologics in them that have been recovered going back to the 1930s.

https://x.com/cspan/status/1684217673716989958

Testimony is not evidence, and using the passive voice ("given explicit authorization", by whom? why does this matter?) is an explicit argument from authority. Physical evidence or nothing. There are no shortage of credulous people in the world happy to bask in the glow of attention.

Consider the counter-factual. If indeed there are aliens here, and have been here for decades, why not centuries? Why haven't previous generations found them, and not known their true origin? How curious that these artifacts only started appearing in the space age, when if they had appeared previously they would have been attributed to a religious origin (and not only not suppressed, but shared widely as evidence for God.)

Note: if aliens are here then FTL travel is not only possible but common, and easy, and this would undermine a great deal of verified physics. To get around this you'd need a conspiracy across all physics research (a la the SF novel "The Three Body Problem"). I'd also add that if going to other planets was like sailing a ship, then we could expect (lazy, sloppy) tourists to come around who don't "toe the line" when it comes to staying hidden.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and without it all such claims can be safely ignored (and indeed, can and should negatively impact the people making them).

Grusch was given access specifically by an act of the U.S Congress to investigate UAPs. Watch the CSPAN link of the congressional hearing I provided for the full details.

Read the link to "The Crowded Galaxy" theory for what's probably going on based on that testimony. It answers all your questions. There are probably millions of planets with life in the galaxy. We're not remarkable except with how hyper-violent and invasive our species is, which is why they're keeping an eye on us. We evolved here so we have the right to live here, but we don't have any rights to live anywhere else in the galaxy. Transforming is probably a ghastly notion to them.

The government also studied remote viewing, psychic powers, and tried to control people's minds with LSD. The government has been investigating UFOs since Project Grudge back in the 1940s. None of that is evidence that remote viewing, psychic powers, mind control or UFOs are actually really alien spacecraft.

David Grusch repeating second and thirdhand claims about alien conspiracies is not evidence that those claims are real, nor is investigating UAPs evidence of the existence of alien spacecraft. None of this is actually evidence if anything, it's literally the same non-evidence the UFO community has always believed in as a matter of faith, and insisted that everyone else take as proven, self-evident fact.

Worth remaining a little skeptical. Could be Project Blue Beam, the plan for a fake alien invasion, that's been talked about for literally decades in conspiracy circles.

Nothing about this guy is trustworthy, but it’s the “biologics” that sets me off. Who says this? It’s a nonsense word that sounds smart.

It's impossible to discover novel phenomenon if you are unwilling to start without evidence. Meanwhile, you yourself _just_ made a meta-theory, without any burden whatsoever.

Ah, E115 aka Moscovium. Highly radioactive, with a half-life of under a second, claimed to be a stable building material. Straight to Bob Lazar levels of kookiness.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materials_science_in_science_f...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscovium

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar

> claimed to be a stable building material.

Element 115 wasn't a building material, it was supposed to exhibit antigravity properties under the right circumstances and was part how UFOs flew in such abnormal patterns.

Can't search the images but one of the quotes is

> We enter the first order of business is checking for E115 then leaving the ship together to send it away.

Once again, E115 decays fully (multiple half-lifes, very little left) in mere seconds and is very radioactive.

> Once again, E115 decays fully (multiple half-lifes, very little left) in mere seconds and is very radioactive.

That said, this only applies to the isotopes we've been able to synthesize so far. It’s not the definitive answer for all possible isotopes. Nuclear physics theories, particularly around the "island of stability," suggest there could be heavier isotopes of Element 115 with more favorable neutron-to-proton ratios. These isotopes might have significantly longer half-lives—potentially lasting seconds, minutes, or even days or weeks.

We simply haven’t discovered these isotopes yet. With better technology and experiments in the future, there’s a chance we might find longer-lived variants of Element 115, but for now, we can only speculate.

Interesting to see Bob Lazar brought up explicitly here. I really like Otherhand's take on the situation. Very tenuous but interesting theory.

https://www.otherhand.org/home-page/area-51-and-other-strang...

Ooh that's a fun rabbit hole, thanks! I'm going to choose to read this like /r/nosleep or SCP - all stories are "true". Suspension of disbelief is the most fun part. I want to know more about these "builds".

the only nuclear armed nation that has invaded a sovereign neighbor is russia, so how is the US meant to be starting WWIII?

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