That said, working for a US military contractor while not being supportive of the US military mission is kind of a silly thing to do.
That said, working for a US military contractor while not being supportive of the US military mission is kind of a silly thing to do.
Wasn't a lot of the Snowden stuff that tools intended to be used on foreign enemies would be used at home?
It's interesting to me that many people who work for giant tech companies that carry out indiscriminate data collection feel confident in their employer's internal processes and controls, but don't extend that same optimism when it's the government that pinky-swears they aren't going to peek at anything they shouldn't.
Nope
> The NSA has built a surveillance network that has the capacity to reach roughly 75% of all U.S. Internet traffic.
> An internal NSA audit from May 2012 identified 2776 incidents i.e. violations of the rules or court orders for surveillance of Americans and foreign targets in the U.S. in the period from April 2011 through March 2012, while U.S. officials stressed that any mistakes are not intentional.
> The FISA Court that is supposed to provide critical oversight of the U.S. government's vast spying programs has limited ability to do so and it must trust the government to report when it improperly spies on Americans.
> A legal opinion declassified on August 21, 2013, revealed that the NSA intercepted for three years as many as 56,000 electronic communications a year of Americans not suspected of having links to terrorism, before FISA court that oversees surveillance found the operation unconstitutional in 2011.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010s_global_surveillance_di...
The kicker to me:
> it must trust the government to report when it improperly spies on Americans
The courts told them to watch themselves and to self incriminate if they do crimez. An honor system. Which naturally, they did not snitch on themselves to the courts, because why would they.
Also let's not forget that they can make all the illegal surveillance legal in an instant just by labeling any person a "terrorist"
https://www.vice.com/en/article/google-fired-dozens-for-data...
https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/amazon-ring-camera-spying...
There is no similar venue for oversight and accountability over the tech industry, which almost certainly holds more sensitive data on the American public.
There's a reason the things they do are done in places where US laws don't apply...
> CIA black sites systematically employed torture in the form of "enhanced interrogation techniques" of detainees, most of whom had been illegally abducted and forcibly transferred. Known locations included Afghanistan, Lithuania, Morocco, Poland, Romania, and Thailand
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_black_sites
Then there's GITMO
They broke major laws and tortured people, hacked the computers of the congressional oversight group to delete evidence, got caught hacking, lied about it, and nothing happened anyway.
The mental model you have where the CIA is in any way constrained by the law is an utter fiction. They would summarily execute Snowden in a millisecond if they could.
This is who is lurking behind the curtain, petty, fallible humans just like everywhere else: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/13/the-surreal-ca...
Don't make assumptions and don't put words in my mouth
You never read about LOVEINT?
This kind of thing is routine in the tech world, too: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2010/09/elite_google_enginee...
In my youth I applied for a defense force job in my country. I was turned down because I didn't have recent experience in the exact skill set they wanted for the first project (iirc it was Visual Basic front-end UI coding, lols. My employer at the time said they'd made a stupid mistake, I should have appreciated this statement more at the time) but it made me think. I never went for another job in defense. Honestly I don't have a problem making machines that might kill (such things are, sadly, often necessary) but on reflection, I sure do have a problem with killing someone that I don't agree should be killed.
This one time I did help a friend fix a machine that was cleaning the defense force's boats, but that's another story.
Many reasonable people support the stated mission. But that shit ain't the truth.
(with apologies to Arthur C. Clarke)