Comment by nojvek | Hacker News Reader

Comment by nojvek | Hacker News Reader

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Tesla is a veeeeery distant second. Elon is full gung ho on vision only. They even removed ultrasonic sensors for parking. Tesla even removed radar. Vision only is Tesla’s bet.

Meanwhile Waymo bets on jamming the car full of sensors to ensure it has superhuman 360 perception in all conditions with multiple sensor redundancy. Waymo takes safety insanely seriously. Tesla doesn’t care if 100s die in their car while on FSD. Waymo doesn’t want to make cars or manage fleets. They want to purely focus on automating the driver end to end.

Unless Tesla has a magical perception algorithm breakthrough, Waymo may expand all US states that allow it, while Tesla won’t even get an operational robotaxi with 100+ rides per year.

Elon has tremendous success in SpaceX with falcon & starlink, that’s a fact. But Tesla FSD is so much hype compared to substance.

Karpathy said in a recent podcast that they pre-train on LIDAR data so no, Tesla is not gung ho on no LIDAR. They "just" do transfer learning with inference on vision-only, which might be a great idea in the end.

Tesla is a distant first.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYlQjINzO_o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoZhER_-nhg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeNKYRWGgBc

We’re talking about robotaxis.

All those are channels that claimed that FSD was great 3+ years ago.

Not exactly reliable sources of information.

Omar is a fanboy yes, but AIDRIVR and DirtyTesla have been openly criticizing FSD for years and show all the problems openly, now waxing lyric over the latest version. Omar, while sometimes cherrypicking videos, has reportedly had 1 safety critical intervention in over 1000 miles of driving in SF and LA.

Having been in a Tesla in FSD mode recently, it felt quite a lot like Waymo's car did about a decade ago. That's a purely subjective opinion taken off the cuff.

I can’t wait to see how badly this comment ages

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