The only thing that JSON is really missing are comments and trailing commas. I use JSONC for that. It's what VSC uses for the config format and it works.
The only thing that JSON is really missing are comments and trailing commas. I use JSONC for that. It's what VSC uses for the config format and it works.
The reason JSON doesn't have comments [1]:
I removed comments from JSON because I saw people were using them to hold parsing directives, a practice which would have destroyed interoperability. I know that the lack of comments makes some people sad, but it shouldn't.
Suppose you are using JSON to keep configuration files, which you would like to annotate. Go ahead and insert all the comments you like. Then pipe it through JSMin before handing it to your JSON parser.
[1] http://archive.today/8FWsAIt’s not like there isn’t another side to this argument.
This isn't kneecapping something any more than an inventor requiring programmers in a new language use types, or not use types, whichever the inventor deems preferable.
He invented a thing. He declared how the thing is constructed. That's not kneecapping. That's just defining a thing.
He invented a thing and left out a well known and understood core function required in the problem space, deliberately, not through oversight.
That's what makes it kneecapping.
The whole useful thing, ie the idea of a data format, including both knees (ie all the basic features any such thing needs) was there. The concept and necessity of annotation was a well known thing by then, and indeed he knew of it himself too, said so himself, and actively removed one functioning knee from that whole, to produce only the kneecapped thing.
He defined a kneecapped thing. Or he kneecapped the design. Whichever way you want to say it.
The difference would be if it was 40 years earlier and you are taking the fist stab at designing any kind of data format and comments just never occurred to you yet.
This is more like making a new programming language and deciding that it shall not have one of the basic math operators. If you need to multiply, tough shit, do it some other way. Just pipe it through JSMulti.
Are inventors required to only innovate a little bit? He released it, and there was every opportunity for someone else to offer something better and achieve the same level of uptake.
Trying to prevent programmers from doing something "because they may 'misuse' comments" is asinine to the extreme. This is not like removing a footgun, it's trying to dictate how you think programming should be done. This is particularly hilarious because I've instead seen tons of horribly hacky workarounds for JSON's lack of comments, e.g. "fake" object entries like "__previousKey_comment": "this is a comment for previous key", or even worse, putting two entries with the same key since the second key should "win", and thus making the first entry the comment.
As for his second point, "Suppose you are using JSON to keep configuration files, which you would like to annotate. Go ahead and insert all the comments you like. Then pipe it through JSMin before handing it to your JSON parser." - just look at the everlasting shit show that is package.json since it can't support comments, because lots of NPM tools actually write to package.json, so there is no guarantee that other tools will be able to read package.json if it includes comments.
I think the thing that I hate most about Crockford's rationalization of not having comments is that you have to have your head stuck 10 feet in the sand to pretend that somehow the lack of comments is a good thing with the benefit of hindsight. I guess I could understand if Crockford's position was "Yeah, originally I thought it was better to keep them out because I was concerned about misuse, but now in retrospect to see the much larger problems it causes, and I realize it was a mistake." But instead he just keeps pushing his original crappy opinion on this topic.
I don't know who @fat is, but if he thinks Crockford's rationalization for the lack of comments in JSON is total and complete BS, I like the way he thinks.
Not sure why all the downvotes? Thought this was a classic.
An example I think every Node developer can commiserate with is that there isn't really a great way to add comments in the dependencies or devDependencies section in package.json, because those keys need to refer to module names, and that's where I most often want to use comments in package.json. I won't rehash all the details but just take a look at https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14221579/how-do-i-add-co... . Unfortunately none of the answers there are very good. In the past I've resorted to doing what https://stackoverflow.com/a/45815391/1075909 does, but that ends up not working very well once you've got a long list of dependencies, because the comment for any particular dependency ends up being far from the entry that specifies the dependency (instead of the line above), so people end up not reading it or forget to update it if that becomes necessary.
Yeah, I really, really hate that JSON doesn't have comments :)
They just preserve the key starts with $ for special use
So a class A with a double and and an int field will be something like
{
"$type": "A"
"value":{
"a": {
"$type": "double",
"value": 1
},
"b": {
"$type": "int",
"value": 2
}
}
}
And what about keys that actually starts with $?You just escape it with special $raw key
"$raw": {
"$escaped": {
"$type": "double",
"value" 1
}
}
It's a bit way too verbose. But given it is just a serialization format inside some library or app, it won't cause too much problems.>Trying to prevent programmers from doing something "because they may 'misuse' comments" is asinine to the extreme.
Programmers are often their own worst enemies. Some prefer rigid rulesets over less rigid freeform programming. See Typescript vs Javascript. No comments in JSON is just another example of over-rigidification, and some programmers love that.
>package.json since it can't support comments,
If you're needing to write comments in package.json, maybe you're not approaching package.json correctly? It's really for node things, not your things that you need to write comments about. I'm not even sure why someone would want to write comments in package.json. I get it with comments in other JSON files, but package.json probably should be left for nodejs things.
1. So what if JSON is primarily used for data interchange? It's not like allowing comments would somehow make them magically show up on serialized objects. This objection makes 0 sense to me. And heck, tons of other serialization formats (e.g. XML) support comments. Besides, there is a big reason that human-readable serialization formats are so popular - because they're human readable! If you're really worried about size you should be using a binary format anyway.
2. "Rigid rulesets" has nothing to do with Crockford's arguments. It's one thing to prefer a particular type system, or limit functionality if you think it has high potential for misuse. By JSON not having comments all you end up with is worse workarounds, like putting comments in object keys.
3. "I'm not even sure why someone would want to write comments in package.json" To be blunt, then, I can't believe you've ever written any code in a business (i.e. with multiple developers) in the Node/NPM ecosystem. Is it really that hard to wonder why someone would want to comment why they added a particular dependency to their project? The lack of comments in package.json is one of the biggest complaints of this format, and it's certainly not just me, e.g. https://github.com/npm/npm/issues/4482 and https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14221579/how-do-i-add-co...
Well then you and plenty of other people have some wrong ideas about package.json. That isn't surprising.
package.json gets rewritten for all kinds of things, which is not really compatible with adding comments wherever you want. Adding "why this dependency is here" comments may seem like a good idea to add to package.json, but you're kind of missing the point. If you need that level of documentation, trying to shoehorn it into package.json is just the wrong place for it. Soon enough your package.json looks like a graffiti wall.
>To be blunt, then, I can't believe you've ever written any code in a business (i.e. with multiple developers) in the Node/NPM ecosystem.
Then you'll be astonished that I have been working with nodejs for about 14 years professionally. Sure I have wanted to put comments into package.json, but I was naive and now I'm fine not doing that. I haven't wanted to in many years. I document things in other ways and it has served us all very well. YMMV.
Either https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_of_deviance
So the right place is to make a graffiti out of another place, instead of in the place where people actually declare the dependencies?
I find it bizarre when people believe in one true way of doing things. I mean, you can declare your dependencies how you like, but if others do it differently, then they're clueless?
Surely that's what the commit message is for? I mean, I get that it's more convenient to have the comment right there in the file, but that should be balanced against the downsides: having to maintain the comment, making the file larger and more awkward to read, etc.
Yes, I still think a commit message is important, but it absolutely does not take the place of a comment. Suppose you'd like to do something like this:
// DO NOT change to latest version. MUST pin to version 1.2.3 because
// 1.2.4 includes a subtle bug that doesn't work with our version of
// the zed library. We have an open issue on zed, see
// https://github.com/zed/zed/issues/1234.
// Once that is fixed, we can upgrade.
"foobar": "1.2.3"
There is zero chance that comment is going to be seen if its just in a commit message, furthermore you should never depend on git blame showing a particular comment because it's easy for later commits to overwrite it due to simple things like formatting changes, etc. Yes, in that example case there should be tests too, but IMO the primary purpose for comments is to highlight issues and concerns that aren't immediately apparent just by reading the code.I simply cannot think of another file format that is used for configs that doesn't support comments.
I never suggested using a commit message, there are plenty of other ways to document these things and I'll leave that up to the user to figure out.
So now you've written this tome of a comment in package.json. What happens the next time someone installs a package using npm install? package.json gets rewritten, that's what. Your comment will be gone. I suppose you expect npm to somehow use AI to guess at how to rewrite package.json so it can put your comments in the correct places??
And expecting someone to read package.json before updating or installing a library is just as useful as putting it in a commit message. If you really need to be careful about dependency versioning, you better have more safeguards in place than just a comment in package.json.
>I simply cannot think of another file format that is used for configs that doesn't support comments.
I mostly see configs created as .js or .ts files, where comments are allowed. Not package.json. Never package.json, because package.json is guaranteed to be rewritten regularly. But maybe you missed that part of your bootcamp class? Yes, .js files can be used as "config". It's been done in plenty of projects. It isn't the end of the world. JSON also isn't solely used for configs or data that needs comments, in fact the majority of use cases in the world for JSON won't need any comments at all so writing comments in package.json is kind of an edge-case.
>I simply cannot think of another file format that is used for configs that doesn't support comments.
JSON isn't only a config file format. It's primary use is data transfer.
Dude, I think you're lost, in more ways than one. I was directly responding to a comment that stated "Surely that's what the commit message is for?"
For the rest of your comment, at this point I'd rather have an argument with a dining room table. No shit you can't have comments in package.json now, that's the entire reason that issue https://github.com/npm/npm/issues/4482 is unfixable. If JSON supported comments from the beginning, then tooling would have to respect that, just like the bajillion other config file formats that support tooling that updates the config file programmatically.
conf = {};
configFile.split('\n').forEach( function(x){
y = x.split(' ');
if(y[1]=="=") conf[y[0]] = y[2];
});
Everything is a comment with exception of lines like:speed = 100 km/h
weight = 60 kg
maxBuffer = 200 chars (between 100 and 300 works best)
output: {"speed":100,"weight":60,"maxBuffer":200}
It had walls of text with headings and something configurable sprinkled in. Crockford would be screaming. lol
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_(programming_langua...
[1] https://docs.telerik.com/kendo-ui/styles-and-layout/sass-ver...
Sure you can write everything in another file or put the comments in the commit message. But out-of-band comments are more easily missed or lost. If the package.json got rewritten by `npm install` you'd lose the comments. Inconvenient, but that's trivial to fix at commit time.
You can make special key names that are really directions for something.
You can make enrire k v pairs that are never used by anything that actually parses the json normally.
Argument was invalid as far as I can see and calling it "sorry it makes you sad" is, wow I don't even know where to begin with that.
Having annotation happen in a dedicated place designed for it is better than having it happen where it was not designed to be, end of math problem.
For any spec there are people who want something spec doesn't do and people writing the spec need to say no to requests that they consider not in scope as much or more often than they say yes
Comments are not some weird thing one person wants for their weird reason that no one else needs to care about. It's like leaving out a letter from the alphabet.
Just acknowledging someone wants something out of scope is not an apology
Saying "I intended to make a defctive thing doesn't" doesn't change the fact that it's defective.
A car without windshield wipers is defective, or at best inexcusably limited. Saying "I only designed it to use in the sun" doesn't make it suddenly perfectly useful.
If you want to try to say that json was actually intended to only be used in special conditions like an exotic car with no roof, then it's fair for everyone else to say "Ok, well that intentional design is a crap design of limited use. People actually need a car WITH windshield wipers."
The simple fact that it's a text format invalidates all the attemped arguments that it's just a machine to machine data format never intended for humans to mess with. People aren't "holding it wrong".
CSV has no comments and is probably more popular than json.
If small parser was the most important, that's what binary formats are.
Or if the data needs to pass through a text handler that can't handle binary, we already had csv and a few different standard and cheap encodings.
csv's excuse for lacking some of the bare minimum features is that csv was first. Csv is from the time of typewriters and handwritten data. What would eventually become known, the most common needs, just hadn't been encountered yet.
A single person did not create csv after 40 years of seeing what is needed, and decide that csv shall not have an expected functionality in it's spec. There essentially isn't even any spec for csv. No one explicitly authored it. It's a typewriter format.
csv continues to get used after that point because of inertia. Once it's used many places, it continues to get used in new places because most new things have to interoperate with the existing ecosystem if you want to sell to the most possible customers.
Also csv, unlike json & similar, IS a pure data format, not used for things like configuration, because it's really only barely human usable, because the columns don't line up and there's no form of annotation other than a header record. Not to mention every part of the format, quotes, commas, even newlines, are valid data that may appear in a field, and so the only way to read the file is to manually reproduce the streaming state-machine in your head.
If something as limited as csv is so good and doesn't need anything else, then why did he invent json when csv already existed for jobs that narrow in scope?
csv is not remotely proof that text formats don't need annotation.
Your two examples are just two examples of why we don't need comments for data interchange: yes, you put the data in a trivial, stable position in the parsed data that all parsers can parse rather than write some sort of DSL that has to be extracted from comment nodes that may appear in various places in the tree.
Turning this:
{ "key": "value" /* directive */ }
Into this: { "key": { "value": "value", "info": "directive" } }
Is the whole point. The more "abusive" you imagine the contents of "directive" to be, the more reason it should exist as the latter data, not more reason we should accept the former.Most json users are not writing all of the software that both generates and consumes the json.
This actually would put JSON in a worse place than XML - while XML has an overly complex infoset, that infoset is actually defined and standardized. Representing "a property with a comment on the property name and one before and after the property value" so that information is not lost in parsing would explode the complexity needed for an "interoperable" JSON library.
if someone wants to create some sort of scheme where they do "createdAt$date" as a property name to indicate the value is to be interpreted in some agreed-upon date format, that at least doesn't lose data if the JSON data doesn't understand that scheme, or require a new custom parser in order to properly interpret that data, compared to something like /* $type: date */ "createdAt" :...
This doesn't explode anything and you don't need to lose any data, so the monstrosity of XML still has no benefit, and neither does "createdAt$date", which would need a custom library anyway, so it doesn't matter where you insert your types
A bit off topic when the only consideration here is comments, but XML allows for type definitions and structures data that simply isn't possible in JSON.
People have found ways to attempt to add types to JSON but they aren't part of the spec at all and are just convention-based solutions.
I think roundtrip with comments is not feasible in general. Most code just expects a hashmap, which it edits and then serializes back. You would need some really clever handling for comments to do it.
Yes the comment free spec forces to normalize what would be comments into data spec and it is frustrating to put more effort into things
If you need additional fields in the json to hold comments, why not add the fields however you want? And if you need meta-data for the parser, you could add it the same way. In a project, i am working on right now, we simply use a attribute called "comment", for comments.
e.g. use "_" as a prefix to mark comments, and then tell you applications to ignore these attributes.
{
"mystring": "string123",
"_mystring": "i am a comment for mystring",
"mynum": 123,
"_mynum": "i am a comment for mynum",
"comment": "i am a comment for the entire object"
}That may not be a huge problem for you, you see the "comment" key and know its just a comment and can ignore when a parser treats it like a normal string field. It could be an issue though, for example I could see any code that runs logic against all keys in the object becoming harder to maintain.
> If you need additional fields in the json to hold comments
I don't need additonal fields, I need comments
> why not add the fields however you want
Because I can't do that either, there are noticeable limitations
Syntax errors and erroneous highlighting are not even item 10000 on my list of JSON concerns.
Dare I pull a tired cliche and say “you’re using it wrong”
I don't think your take makes sense. Comments were purposely left out of JSON to mitigate the problem described by Hyrum's law.
Smaller interface means a smaller surface to allow abuse. You're just arguing to facilitate abuse because you feel the abuse that was indeed avoided by leaving comments out is unavoidable, which is a self-contradiction.
On top of that,think about the problem for a second. Why do you feel it's reasonable to support comments in data interchange formats? This use case literally means wasting bandwidth with data that clients should ignore. The only scenario where clients are not ignoring comments if exactly the scenario that it's being avoided: abusing it for control purposes.
If you want a data interchange format to support that, you should really adopt something that is better suited for your whole use case.
> and your suggestion doesn't help with eg syntax highlighting tools for your config that will treat comments as syntax errors (...)
That's the whole point. This is by design, not a fault. Why are you pretending a language supports a feature it never supported and explicitly was designed to not support?
If you take your law seriously, this is irrelevant because the surface of abuse is on the same scale of practical infinity, so it doesn't matter that one infinity is technically smaller.
For example, based of the example in the quote: you could stick those directives from comments info #hashtags in stringy values, with the same effect that there is no interoperable way to parse values (or if you add "_key_comment" - there is no interoperable way to even parse keys as some of them need to be ignored)
So the designer has achieved no benefit by removing a valuable feature
> abuse that was indeed avoided
Nothing was avoided, you can have the exact same abuse tucked into other elements
> Why do you feel it's reasonable to support comments in data interchange formats?
Why does the author of the quote sees the obvious which you don't see even after reading the quote? Go convince him his comment makes no sense because of "data interchange"
Obviously it's not only used for data interchange in cases where every byte matters (reminder: this is a TEXT-based format) and also comments matter to humans working with this data
> adopt something that is better suited for your whole use case.
And this discussion is literally about a format supports that? But also, how does this in any way mitigate the flaws in the designer's arguments?
> Why are you pretending a language supports a feature it never supported and explicitly was designed to not support?
Same thing, why is the author of the quote makes this senseless suggestions then? Go convince him first
Hyrum's law is not mine. It's a statement of fact that goes by that name already for a few decades and is noted by anyone who ever worked on production services that exposes an interface and is consumed by third parties.
> (...) this is irrelevant because the surface of abuse is on the same scale of practical infinity, so it doesn't matter that one infinity is technically smaller.
It really isn't. JSON does not support comments, thus they aren't abused in ways that sabotage interoperability. The only option you have is to support everything at the document schema level. You can't go around it.
> For example, based of the example in the quote: you could stick those directives from comments info #hashtags in stringy values, (...)
Irrelevant. You're specifying your own schema, not relying in out-of-band information.
That's exactly how a data interchange format is designed to be used.
There is no way around it. If you understand the problem domain, the fact that leaving out comments is an elegant solution to a whole class of problems is something that's immediately obvious to you.
If specifying the schema is important then why not an interchange format with strict schema enforcement like XML?
If minimal feature sets to avoid abuse are so important, then why not a binary format like protobufs which also have strict schema dictates?
And if interoperability is important then why not ditch REST/JSON all together and instead favor SOAP which strictly defines how interoperability works?
That's why I don't buy the "comments might be abused" argument. JSON doesn't have a single problem domain and it's not the only solution in town.
I don’t have anything against XML by the way, it was purely horrible to work with because people were using it in so many weird ways. Personally I prefer toml, but I guess we all have our preferences.
JSON wasn't some magical, made-on-the-fly format that makes Crockford some kind of genius. It was simply the standard Javascript object literal notation with some added constraints. I think some of those constraints make sense (i.e. are there any other languages that support both single and double quotes for string literals?), but funnily enough, some of the biggest issues with JSON interoperability is it is very underspecified in the areas that matter, such as the type and width of numeric literals, what to do in some edge cases like duplicate keys, etc. Just did a quick search, and here is a post that outlines some of the real security risks this underspecification leads to: https://bishopfox.com/blog/json-interoperability-vulnerabili...
Yes, quite a few like Python, PHP, Fortran, COBOL, Lua, R, Ruby, Perl, Bourne Shell, Dart, Groovy, etc.
Though some only interpolate with one or the other.
Sure it’s derived from JavaScript and it plays a major part in frontend development today. It was really the other way around though, when Ajax picked up people started realising that they could use json to make frontends work with “just” html and JavaScript.
All that needed to be said was, "Using comment programmatically is bad practice. Don't do it."
there's always someone putting actual logic in comments, and when I rule the world, those people are all going to be put on an island by themselves and they're going to have to deal with each other.
Your comment doesn't make any sense. You're just pointing out that developers designed data interchange formats as subsets of JSON which explicitly support metadata and comments. This means they are specifying their schemas to support these usecases in a way clients can and do support it. That, if anything, proves right the decision to not support comments because it resulted in better-defined and well-behaving clients.
We get to choose what approach we take. I prefer the "give them the rope they might need" philosophy. If they hang themselves, oh well.
That said, I have yet to see anyone ever say "Oh man, this programming/configuration/data transfer language would be so great, but I wish they hadn't supported comments!" I see the opposite about JSON all the time.
And I don't see this about other features, e.g. Go specifically decided not to support the ternary operator, and while some folks may like that feature, I think more folks really appreciate that with Go there is generally a "standard" way to do things and it doesn't give you a million different ways to essentially do the same thing.
https://www2.jwz.org/doc/cddb.html
(Unfortunately, because jwz blocks HN referrals, you can't click on this link, but will need to copy it into the address bar)
JWCC is also what Tailscale call HuJSON, as in "JSON for Humans", which as amusingly also what json5 claims to be.
It has implementations in JavaScript, C#, C++, Go, Java, Lua, PHP, Python, Rust.
On the other hand:
> leadingDecimalPoint: .8675309
This is just lazy. Can we discuss in depth how much time you saved by skipping the “0” in favor of lesser readability?
> andTrailing: 8675309.,
This doesn’t mean anything to me.
Trailing makes it a floating point type instead of an integer
Still… I can be required to put a zero in, read 0.3, and still think “that’s point three”.
How could the parser see it as a string? This is not YAML and JSON5 still requires quotation marks.
Is it universally understood? I think it's a US / English thing. In my country I've never seen numbers written in this way and many people would not "parse" it mentally as 0.8675309
Reference: Postel’s Law
I think Postel's law was intended to apply to alternative implementations of machine-level protocols.
That's not to say that I don't agree that it might be better if JSON implementations would allow trailing commas, which is unlikely to lead to semantic ambiguities. That's too late now though, unless a new JSON to rule them all would appear and we would all agree on that new spec.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-thomson-postel-w...
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9413
I don't think Postel's Law was necessarily a bad idea, in its time and context. However it seems to have fallen into usage as an argument-ender. This RFC is a useful antidote to that.
On a personal level, I also don't like ending a number with a . because my brain immediately parses it as a sentence ender and it interrupts my reading flow.
It's just not wanting to keep track of more rules. If you've only ever used languages where a leading decimal point is allowed, it's a pain point to suddenly have to remember that it isn't here, and for no obviously intuitive reason.
It's about wanting to avoid unnecessary conceptual friction. Not lazy keyboard usage.
(Heck, your second example uses an extra keystroke. And it's perfectly readable to me, based on the languages I use.)
JSON5 is not.
There's something to be said for being flexible in your inputs when they are non-ambiguous. Particularly when dealing with files written by hand.
There's no virtue in imposing overly strict syntax when it serves no human purpose. That's trying to alter people to fit machines, rather than altering machines to fit people.
This seems like exactly how we ended up with YAML-and-the-kitchen-sink.
For a spec like this, things should need a better justification than that. Everything starts at -100 points. How does this feature justify the additional complexity in the spec, to the users, and to the people trying to implement this? How does it justify increasing the opportunity for creating subtly incompatible parsers?
Or, if a goal of JSON is not to be simple and interoperable, then I fail to see how it's not just YAML but 5 or 10 years behind the curve, so we may as well skip a bunch of hassle and move to YAML and start fixing the bugs we've got there rather than creating new ones here.
JSON5 is literally exactly JavaScript notation, which tons of people are familiar with. On the other hand, I don't know any programming languages that use strings without quotes or delimiters. (And of course, their existing in YAML is widely recognized as a major source of confusion.)
And in your example, there isn't parsing ambiguity but there would be change ambiguity when you alter abc (without quotes) to 123, because it changes its type.
I'm not aware of any change-ambiguity situations in JavaScript/JSON5 like that? In Python 5 and 5. are different types, but not in JavaScript or JSON.
YAML[0] supports JSON formatted resources and octothorpe ('#') comments as well. I didn't see anything in the spec specifically allowing for trailing commas however.
Here is an exemplar using the Ruby YAML module:
#!/usr/bin/ruby
require 'yaml'
puts YAML.load(
%/
# YAML is a strict superset of JSON, which
# means supporting octothorpe end-of-line
# comments is supported in JSON formatted
# YAML if and only if the content is multi-line
# formatted as well (like this example).
{
# This is valid YAML!
"foo" : "bar"
}
/
)
0 - https://yaml.org/spec/1.2.2/Allowing multiple types of quotes may be an unnecessary feature but it is a clear lesser evil compared to the mountain of footguns that YAML brings with it.
If you don’t enforce it, in the future the “subset of YAML” property might get weaker, especially if someone else is modifying the config.
If you treat config files the same as code, then using a safe subset of YAML is the same as using a safe subset of C. It is theoretically doable, but without extensive safeguards, someone will eventually slip up.
Use of indentation to denote nesting can sometimes be an anti-feature, too, because while using that the format does not provide a way to make certain that the entire stream has been read (parens balanced). This may lead to problems or even exploits.
Pure JSON is so painful for human consumption though, I willingly choose yaml if it's the only alternative.
JSON5 may indeed be a sweet spot between human-friendliness and lack of nasty surprises.
What is illustrated above is the definition of a specification-compliant YAML resource strictly using JSON constructs + octothorpe end-of-line comments.
Does this usage mitigate the concerns you have identified?
A good parser does not just accept the inputs you find valid, but also rejects inputs you deem invalid. Running a linter that would report or amend all the footgun-wielding features of yaml before parsing is tanamount to running another parser. Then why bother :)
Still, it would have been nice if YAML had reduced the surface area to verify in order to establish confidence in its content.
And multi-line strings. You don't always need that, but when you do, it's absence is very painful.
"//key":"this is here so that foo bars", "key":"value",
valid JSON. Most software handles extra propertiesjust fine
Depending what you use JSON for, "Numbers may be IEEE 754 positive infinity, negative infinity, and NaN." could be a huge plus.
I disagree. Human-friendy multiline strings aren't really optional for a serialization format that will inevitably also be used as a config format sometimes because those are the same problem.
Don't get me wrong, the ubiquity of JSON speaks for itself and is the reason to use it. But, to say it has tangible benefits feels very dishonest.