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Just FYI, to those not in Pakistan who might not be aware. The minister mentioned in the article (yes, deepfakes are a form of sexual criminality!), is a direct underling of another female chief minister (who won despite her party receiving less than 20% of the votes - yay military rigging) who ... get this ...

runs an extortion ring where 100s of judges, politicians etc are honey trapped & copious videos are made. She (& her husband) have OPENLY bragged about this, FOR YEARS. 1 judge (whose video was released by her team) committed suicide 3 years ago. The rest of the judges all toe the line (hence the laughable "lawfare" vs Imran Khan).

She makes J Edgar Hoover seem like a novice. Just keep that in mind ...

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A few brave souls (eg Senator Swati) have openly admitted to this attempted blackmail (his was an explosive, tearful press conference 3 years ago).

She even does it to the military top brass, and they do it to her & her goons. In short, they're all low-rent garbage, so save your tears for the more worthwhile 1000s of political prisoners (MANY of whom are female) of this military-led, crime-family infested, American State Dept sponsored gang of thieves & cutthroats (eg: witness recent Islamabad massacre, helpfully ignored by the mainstream US media)

If the state dept threw out IK that was wrong, but why has everyone forgotten IK begging the “umpires” to throw govt out when he was out of power before elected (with some help) the first time.

deepfakes are not a form of sexual criminality. Gees Thought Police here we come!

Whether deepfakes are or are not a form of sexual criminality is an absolute based on the jurisdiction. Either it is a crime there or it isn't. That's independent of whether or not individuals or the population agree it should be, whether it's moral, whether it's seen as overreaching, or any other consideration beyond what the law there says.

Yea, sure, being gay or having anal sex, is still a crime too in some places.

We can argue it shouldn't be considered a crime and I'd argue deepfakes should not be a crime. I'd also argue considering them so is close to "thought police".

And, I'd argue fighting them is a losing cause. They get easier and easier to make daily. Lots of papers at the most recent Siggraph on how to take a single photo and turn it into an deepfake, oh, I mean avatar for a game, model for virtual clothes fitting, etc...

>I'd also argue considering them so is close to "thought police"

How do you reach that conclusion? Deepfakes get shared, which has real consequences for people.

To me, its just another form of fiction. Its as much a crime as writing a story where you base a character in it on someone you know, and subject that character to sexual acts. Sure its depraved, but it doesn't pass the criminality threshold for me, not by a long shot.

And no, i do not see the use of real photos and video to be material to this specific discussion.

I think this issue is a great way to evaluate the values and integrity of a society.

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