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Re the viable system model, I can recommend Dan Davis, The Unaccountability Machine, which also touches on the Allende story, and Patrick Hoverstadt, The Fractal Organisation. My own VSM-inspired book with a modern complexity lens will be published next year.

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Seconding the recommendation of The Unaccountability Machine; if anyone wants a taster of the book, patio11 did a great episode of his Complex Systems podcast where he interviews the author about it: https://www.complexsystemspodcast.com/episodes/dan-davies-or...

Apparently included in spotify premium too, I'll add that to my list, thank you.

Complex Systems with Patrick McKenzie (patio11): Balancing control and chaos: cybernetics, fraud, and modern organizations with Dan Davies

Episode webpage: https://www.complexsystemspodcast.com/episodes/dan-davies-or...

Media file: https://chrt.fm/track/993DGA/media.transistor.fm/003b6520/a8...

Problem with VSM, is where is the practical evidence of it working, if it's so great surely there would be more uptake of it?

I mean it sounds like a reasonable model, I'm sure there is a lot of nuance to it, but getting it up and running at an existing enterprise would be a very difficult to do, and at great risk without some solid case studies showing significant ROI.

can one preorder your book?

Find me on LinkedIn (a hop or two from my profile page here) and I’ll give you early access if you’re up for giving some feedback

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