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Though they are illegal in New York.

As are the guns themselves.

Nah, it's an onerous process but plenty of people have concealed carry permits in NYC.

Costly permit. Requires authorization by high-ranking NYPD. Only given out to people in certain jobs or with bribes. The only practice range is in Ridgeland. You're required to transport it in your own car, in the trunk, ammo separate from the gun, and only to and from the range.

That puts it well beyond the reach of the vast majority of NYC residents.

Supreme court got rid of may issue gun licenses. All gun permits in the US are now shall issue.

Yep - most of people's impressions of NYC's gun laws/rights are really outdated..

It was a year or two ago.

The NYC carry permit is useless and designed that way so the city can lie to the courts and tell them people have the right to carry.

You can't carry in like 90% of Manhattan even with the permit. Even carrying in your own apartment is prohibited without an additional permit.

Nah - there's a premise permit that's needed if you only have it in your apartment and carry to the range, but the concealed carry is sufficient to have it in your apartment. And the "90%" of Manhattan you can't carry in is basically Times Square, bars and restaurants, festivals, churches, schools and government buildings.

It was actually prohibited to carry on all forms of private property, until a recent court ruling struck it down. So if you can't carry on public transit, you can't carry it in government buildings, you can't carry it near schools and other public property, you can't use it on private property what is the permit for again?

It's no different than how states used "Poll Taxes" and "Tests" to circumvent the 15th Amendment before the Civil Rights Movement. NYC thinks they are above the law and does everything they can to circumvent it.

Yeah I'm not really interested in the debate around NYC carry laws and technically you're allowed to carry on buses but not trains, but it is certainly one of the most restrictive places in the country.

Guns are illegal in NY? I think not, in the sense of a law that could withstand challenge.

It's not like it would matter. You can buy a gun in a nearby state and carry it across state lines without much trouble. Most of the guns used in Chicago come from Indiana.

That depends on the type of gun and the state.

Handguns have to be transferred across state lines to a FFL in the state where the transferee resides.

I don’t think GP is commenting on the legality of it but rather on the possibility of it.

Well if you don’t care about legality you don’t need to buy a gun somewhere with less restrictions on guns…

it should be obvious that it is easier to do so

In practice it is not easier for an Illinois resident to buy a handgun in Indiana than in Illinois. Even an illegal one.

The way straw purchases work for handguns is mostly that a family member who can legally purchase the firearm does.

But if you are talking cross state border sales, which are not the majority even though it’s an oft quoted trope, a resident of Indiana buys a lot of guns, then sells them illegally in Illinois. Precisely because you can’t easily buy a handgun in a state you don’t reside in.

There was even a recent high-profile Supreme Court case that eliminated the historically-common (the majority opinion was simply wrong about the history, just, straight-up factually not correct) practice of sharply limiting carry of firearms in towns and cities, let alone ownership. So no, guns aren't meaningfully illegal in NYC, besides the fact that they're extremely not-illegal outside the city and it's not like they frisk anyone on the way in. Like, right now, guns are kinda the least illegal in the city that they've been in more than a century.

And so is murder.

Not anymore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_State_Rifle_%26_Pisto...

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