President Biden pardons his son Hunter Biden
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So is it fair to say that Biden repeatedly lied in front of everyone?
But he doesn’t regret anything. None of them ever do.
Stop writing fan fiction, stop falling for the same lies and theater every 4/8 years and start facing the reality of how America is ruled.
Of course it is. So what?
Well, to his defence, he forgot. (i wish i was sarcastic)
Looks like the Biden Administration was made out of absolute lies and shameful hypocrisy, but the folks who didn't have their heads in the sand knew that anyways.
Oh yes, do blame this on Trump - the real reason is that there was the threat that Hunter would take a plea deal and reveal all dirt on his father - esp the corrupt dealings in Ukraine. Made Biden's Puppeteer's terribly shiver. Ukraine has been a money laundering operation for a long time now - don't want the gravy train exposed.
Expect to see a very large surge of preemptive pardon's issued in the next month - easily several times more than the previous Trump presidency - and nearly all issued to the corrupt members of the current administration.
Sure, everyone should be equal in front of the law, but public persons are a difficult case. To be honest, I think for the alleged crimes he suffered enough punishment just because some people aired his dirty laundry publicly.
Overall it is a sign that the political culture has become vastly more primitive. Were it healthy people would also call out their own political side to stop schoolyard shit like this.
The interesting thing probably was that all that happened in Ukraine. For countries like Russia this can look like governmental involvement that is generally a bad look and it could be misinterpreted.
I have mixed feelings myself.
On one hand I understand that attacks on Hunter Biden are purely political and the fact that Trump won is putting biden's family at risk and thus forced Biden's hand.
On the other hand if they lose the moral high ground by acting like Trump the long term damage to American democracy is going to be huge
Frankly, this wasn’t that popular of a thread to begin with, so I’m not sure why dang decided to revive it.
[1] Seriously, before downvoting out of reflex, just read the fuckin’ thing and ask yourself if this sounds like justice being done: https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/rcna182437
Remember, Hunter Biden himself pleaded guilty in federal court to ALL counts in a nine-count indictment, including three felony tax offenses and six misdemeanor tax offenses. There was NO plea agreement.
https://www.justice.gov/sco-weiss/pr/robert-hunter-biden-con...
Biden threatened his father that he would SING like a Canary about Ukraine and all that talk about Justice and "Rule of Law" went out of the Window.
If this was Trump, Jesus, the whole media would be BUZZING 24x7, issuing death threats for a whole month and screaming that it is the END of the world. Instead they are all nice and forgiving - making baby-diaper statements like: its a mild stain on Biden's reputation that doesn't negate his so many years of public service, blah-blah. Some even outright stating that he did the "right thing" and that he should issue preemptive pardons for everyone in his administration. How fast can he sign pardons before inauguration day ? (Maybe his handlers can hold his hand as they wipe his ass ?)
These statements being made by the same media heads who feted Biden's “I abide by the jury decision. I will do that and I will not pardon him.” statement. Biden is SO GOOD.
The scent of evil, rotting hypocrisy is sickening.
The scent of just making up specific factual details because hey, why not?
If it feels true, it is true.
That law shouldn’t exist. However that exact law is why I can’t buy firearms.
Not happy with this.
Given the lawfare that Republican courts have waged against Hunter, this seems like fair play, and very much in line with what Trump does.
Just to be generous, I'll cite Hunter Biden's plea deal that almost went through, but got rejected at the final moment. That's lawfare, plain and simple, a consequence of Republicans trying to do a Benghazi on Biden.
> "We’ve got this case on a guy who had a gun almost five years ago. He was a drug addict at the time, and he lied about that when he filled out some forms to buy the gun. He had the gun for 11 days, nobody ever fired it or used it to do anything, and it wound up getting tossed in a trash can. The guy has had major drug issues and ugly familial problems, but no prior convictions. "
> I would have had two immediate questions. First: What’s the crime? Second: Don’t we have better things to do?
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/why-hunter-bidens-pr...
My cousin went to jail for 6 months for this exact crime and he’s neither famous nor connected to anyone. (Granted, they caught him at the time it didn’t take years.)
It means he did not keep control of the weapon.
Dems are held to a higher standard both internally and by the media, but republicans can do/say crazy things without an ounce of accountability from anyone.
>but republicans can do/say crazy things without an ounce of accountability from anyone.
some republicans campaign explicitly on reducing accountability and embracing nepotism, and when they deliver on those points their voters are hardly "shocked" because they advertised it from the get go. Many dems campaign on the high road, so no one should fault their voters if they feel betrayed and insulted when they go dark.
This behavior is just a childish, "the assholes coming up behind me are going to cut the line, so why should I be the sucker? I'm gonna cut the line and get what's mine while I have the chance."
As with the dumb election strategy of cozing up to establishment republicans: It's stupid because no one will want the fake ones (dems playing republicans) when they can get the original gangsters (republicans).
This isn't the defense you think it is.
The democrats should be taking the higher ground, but instead have become just as bad as Trump, especially after Joe Biden pardoning his own son after repeatedly saying that he would not, even for crimes Hunter admitted and pleaded guilty of.
The Democrats campaigned on being the better party, a new clean slate and to move on and persuaded voters to not vote for the convicted felon (Trump). Yet he still won the election.
My point is Biden should have just told the press that he will pardon his son, instead of repeatedly saying that he would not and then goes and does it anyway.
Is it fair to say that he lied to everyone and also what else are they lying to us about?
We're splitting hairs over something that was, in all reality, a targeted political attack on someone because their dad got elected. I would encourage you to read the press release. Hunter Biden got charged for something that almost no one else does (filling out a gun form incorrectly)
There is no reason to invest this much effort into something so miniscule. It pales in comparison to the dangerous lies and behavior exhibited by MAGA (see: January 6th)
Do you also feel that Trump's 34 felony convictions for filling out a form incorrectly were standard treatment?
Also considering that this was after the normal statute of limitations expired and during the heat of a presidential campaign.
Seems hypocritical to agree or disagree with one but not the other.
One is related to running for President of the United States and the other is someone who has a drug addiction and who isn't running for any sort of office.
I don't think that's how it works. He wasn't charged with election interference or for violating campaign laws.
But, given your take here, I assume you must feel that Hilary Clinton should have faced potential jail time when she failed to fill out a form and interfered with her opposition's presidential campaign:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-d...
And you must also feel that she and Biden should have both faced charges and potential jail time for their mishandling of classified data.
But, no charges for them, and 40 felony charges for Trump for mishandling classified documents.
Biden worked with the office that handles classified documents to return them. Trump and his legal team were hiding them and didn't respond to inquiries leading to the FBI raid.
Hillary I'll give to you because she shoud've faced consequences for the behavior involved in the email scandal. Using bleach bit on hard drives to hide evidence is criminal IMO.
Exactly how am I misinformed? I never said he was convicted in the classified documents case, I said that he faced 40 felony charges for it and potential jail time:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_classified_document...
The grand jury indictment brought 40 felony counts against Trump related to his alleged mishandling of classified documents
> Biden worked with the office that handles classified documents to return them. Trump and his legal team were hiding them and didn't respond to inquiries leading to the FBI raid.
I know, and I figured you say this because this is how you're able to contort the facts to justify your world view, but Biden still did mishandle classified documents intentionally and he wasn't charged for it. And just because he gave them back when they asked doesn't reverse that fact. Remember, he wasn't let off the hook because he was innocent.
By the way, I have no dog in this fight. I dislike them all equally. I just find it frustrating that people can so easily jump through hoops to "explain" how their team's wrongdoings are ok but refuse to apply the same logic when the call is against the other team. And that normally comes with claims of "misinformation", just like you're accusing me of here.
I'm not a fan of sane washing Trump's behavior and trying to draw parallels between him and the Dems when they're just not equal. It reeks of "but muh both sides" contrarinism style argument.
> able to contort the facts to justify your world view
This is pure nonsense.
Pretty easy to fact check yourself if you cared to:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/national...
> This is pure nonsense.
You've got blinders on. Even Jon Stewart (who hates Trump) is willing to stick out his neck and call a spade a spade on this topic.
> Hur’s report says the differences between the two cases are “clear.” Unlike Biden — who cooperated with investigators, agreed to searches of his homes and sat for a voluntary interview — the allegations in Trump’s case present “serious aggravating facts,” Hur wrote.
> For instance, prosecutors say, after the Justice Department issued a subpoena for the records in May 2022, Trump asked his own lawyers if he could defy the request and said words to the effect of, “I don’t want anybody looking through my boxes.”
> “Wouldn’t it be better if we just told them we don’t have anything here?” one of his lawyers described him as saying, according to the indictment.
I do not care about what Jon Stewart says either, lol.
0: https://apnews.com/article/classified-documents-biden-trump-...
I know what happened, and your link agrees with what I said.
From your link:
In Biden’s case, special counsel Robert Hur, a former U.S. attorney for Maryland nominated by Trump, concluded in a report released Thursday that the president should not face criminal charges, despite finding evidence that Biden willfully retained classified information.
They didn't charge him because his diminished mental state would have made it difficult to convince a jury that his actions were "willful". That's very different from them concluding that his actions were not willful.
> I do not care about what Jon Stewart says either
It was an example of how it's actually possible (but rare) to hate Trump and still have the capacity to see the world without blinders on. But good for you for not caring.
Like filing for public benefits in someone else's name just a matter of "filling out a form incorrectly".
That's my whole point here, is to try to be consistent regarless of who we're talking about.
Probably the result of hearing people make excuses for Trump's convictions on pretty much exactly the same lines, but in all seriousness.
Now try explaining that to the voting population and see what kind of blank stares or angered responses you get. BUT PRICES ARE HIGH!!
From my perspective, Dems campaigned on reducing inflation (which they've done) and policies like the child tax credit or first time home buyer credit. Not that I necessarily agree with the last two, but...
the Democrats need big, memorable ideas that will get people excited, and to supplement that with practical economic policy and abortion protections. they need to quit being pragmatic with their goals. Trump shoots for the stars. he isn't restricted by logic or realism. people like those policies, remember them, and it gives him a strong negotiating position.
We need to acknowledge that half of the voter base are unserious people treating this like a sports match rather than an election which has real consequences on people's lives.
Meanwhile Kamala avoided being specific on about any topic. She acted dumb and reverted to "but you remember what Trump said" at any point that required her to take a position. If you think Trump is painful to watch Kamala is unbearable, she was the definition of a politician playing dumb. Seriously her attitude . wouldn't fly in elementary school where children are expected to answer questions and stay on topic.
>>Dems campaigned on reducing inflation
Did they? Reducing inflation requires increasing interest rates or removing trade bareers with cheaper manufacturers like China. Has Kamala supported any policy like that?
Against such telegraphed use of federal prosecutorial powers, presidential pardon is among the few absolutely robust defences.