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It's not "old fashioned", I think you are being fed propaganda by these NGOs.

Sadly, same goes for a huge part of the mainstream media that becomes an echo chamber for them (Guardian, NYT for example that used to be reference of truth but lost that status).

Don't take my word for it, please take the time to read opposite views and try to honestly make your own opinion.

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I didn't say it was old fashioned, I said I was old fashioned because I can't cheer for the government effectively 'disappearing' large numbers of people. In the US we've enthusiastically taken up arms against governments which did this type of thing. We have parades to honor people who died fighting against it.

Amnesty International isn't editorializing and this isn't a remotely controversial claim: the roundups happened via emergency powers which, by design, denied due process. It's not a secret, El Salvador wasn't trying to hide this.

The secret isn't that El Salvador is breaking human rights law, the secret is that El Salvador is an amazing place to visit and it won't break the bank. I can say first hand that Mexico and Ecuador have become sketchy; you can't feel completely safe anywhere IMO in those countries.

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God you're dense. Who said I visited El Salvador? Even if I did, judge much? Are you on the way to jump off a cliff because of the arms we're gifting Israel?

> In the US we've enthusiastically taken up arms against governments which did this type of thing

If by “enthusiastically” you mean “reluctantly”, then yes.

What would be Amnesty’s agenda in feeding us propaganda about El Salvador?

Do you have any credible sources?

"Do your own research" is a pretty thin rebuttal to "here's a source by a well regarded NGO".

And if you are saying Amnesty International is feeding propaganda through the mainstream media, that's also going to need some credible sources. They are generally considered a fairly highly factual organization.

Not just that, the tradeoffs in developing countries are different on the ground. They have to do practical decision making based on limited resources and issues. The alternative is simply criminals taking over.

Do you have evidence that basic human rights and due process is unusually expensive and not feasible for developing countries ?

Because that doesn't seem to be the case given we've seen much of the world become developed over the last 50 years. And almost all have a functioning judicial system.

It is not only in developing countries, even in developed countries it is a bit of a problem, the rise of “far right” in Europe etc is an example to this.

* Latin America has a sad history of using what's been called "enforced disappearance" [0]. It's sickening that it seems to be happening again in El Salvador in 2024.

* There's no justification for ethnic or ideologic cleansings of any type, period. No, making tourists happy is not a good reason for state terrorism (nothing is).

* Bukele is untrustworthy. See "liquid ideology" on [1], just for a start.

0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enforced_disappearance

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayib_Bukele#Social_issues

> I think you are being fed propaganda by these NGOs.

Which parts of Amnesty International's statement are inaccurate and why ?

You know because we want to form our own opinion.

NYT has never been different than it is now. It has always been a willing propaganda outlet, and has always pushed the agenda ownership wanted.

You just liked when it was saying before.

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