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Many years ago, I lost my work because of this "unique UI" and pledge never to use Gimp again, unless its behavior changed.

When you open a non-Gimp file, for instance a PNG, and you want to update the source file, you need to "export" to PNG. And if you close the tab, Gimp warns you that your work isn't saved, because it hasn't been saved in its native xcf format. There is no way to know if the work has been saved to the original file. At least, that was the behavior at the time.

So I had opened a dozen of (versioned) PNG files, modified them, then overwritten the PNG files. On closing, Gimp warned me that none of the images was saved. I ignored the warning since I didn't want to track the changes in xcf files. It turned out one the files had not been "exported" to PNG.

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This is standard behavior in pretty much any kind of art/content creation app. You have a project file which can be saved and reopened in the app, saving the state of the layers/effects/etc to be edited later, and can “export” a final render to a specific format for your medium. Image/video editing, digital audio workstations, 3D-modeling programs, they all behave like this, for good reason since it usually takes a long time to export to a specific format, and when you do, you lose the ability to change anything.

Think of it like source code, and each exportable file type is like a compilation target.

Think of it more like GIMP chasing non-existent users while ignoring the workflow of its actual users.

This is one of the weirder design changes that Gimp made, and it wasn't always that way. IIRC, the "save" option worked as you described in 2.0 but changed to the newer behaviour in either 2.2 or 2.4. Baffling because it really does change the workflow and coupled with the GTK+ load/save dialog boxes, it really has become much less intuitive than it used to be.

There is literally an "overwrite file" command in the file menu.

You didn't lose data because of bad UI but because you are illiterate. You just said it, it warns you. If you can't understand what "none of the images was saved" means, there is no UI that can save you except autosave. But autosave is something you clearly don't want in a photo/image editor, even smartphone apps do not autosave photo edits.

That's a rude and somewhat inaccurate response.

Photoshop has autosave that works well, even for files with hundreds of layers, so it can be done. That being said, I can see that it's less useful when someone chooses not to save.

As for export, a single-layer file should be considered saved when one exports to lossless. A multi-layer file needs a different prompt, and I note Gimp has that now. It flags the file as "Exported to xxxxxx.png" in the Quit dialog.

autosave is useful for a file format of working files, like psd if non destructive changes are supported. But it would be stupid for exported end result format like jpeg, png, webp or pdf where changes cannot be recorded.

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