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I wonder if that means that lower sex drive does not necessarily mean lower testosterone?

This is not a purely theoretical question. I spend half the year traveling the world in ways that let me talk a lot with local people, and I am astounded by the number of young men in developing countries who venerate Andrew Tate and are frantic about physical access to women. As a somewhat older man, I can’t share their desperation and I wish I could communicate to them “Just wank it and then get back to doing something productive with your time”, yet I fear being accused of being a “low-T man”, which in that social-media world is an object of contempt.

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Lack of access to sex (aka women aren't interested) tends to be an identity level failure to men, not just a temporarily feeling of horniness that goes away after a wank. Else the problem would be solved half a dozen times a day for these young men.

Though, like the PUA forums of the early 2000s, I don't think Andrew Tate is going to be much help. But that's a separate issue.

> and I am astounded by the number of young men in developing countries who venerate Andrew Tate and are frantic about physical access to women. As a somewhat older man,

Kind of curious which countries? I noticed this some countries where women rights seem restricted or theyre lower class, and religious. Indonesia and Morocco.

Certainly the ire of Andrew Tate fans should be thoroughly ignored. You can have whatever sex drive you want, and their contempt is childish and misguided. If you did want to try experiencing a higher sex drive, try edging daily for a week without getting off and see how you feel on day 7.

I don't think that's the solution. Sex desire is effectively a human need as much as hunger. You can wank it off once or twice, but for some people they might have this need 3+ times per day, every day. That's not sustainable for them too.

I don't know what the solution is, but saying "wank it off" seems an unsatisfying response

I’ve never had any sex drive my entire life and my T levels test normally. So I would say one doesn’t necessarily imply the other. Pretty sure it’s more complicated.

I need to do some research regarding asexuality. May I ask, what about you being romantic or intimate?

I like the idea of romance, but I’ve never been romantic or intimate with anyone yet. I do hope to experience that some day though.

I hope you will!

But older men are "low-T" relative to younger men.

"If A (higher T) then not B (higher sex drive)" does not imply "If B then not A".

But agree, these men have built a culture where they believe that's true. I think that they'd be better served by not obsessing so hard. Sex will happen, and it's easiest to get when you are chill, safe, approachable.

And yet, these dudes feel the need to do toxic shit to themselves and others. It's a tragedy.

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