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You see long term brain changes in kids who get prescribed Adderall, you don't see this for adults. Proponents tend to tout this as why we absolutely need to give this to kids, because they say this will permanently heal them, could just as well be permanently damaging them.
I'm concerned about potential long term changes to the brain as well. I wouldn't call that necessarily catastrophically consequential on the level that castration would be though, on account of many other drugs also causing long term and potentially negative changes to the brain.
I wouldn't compare underage drinking (known to potentially have long term consequences for the brain) to castration for instance, which is why I think doing the same for amphetamine use is hyperbolic.
What's this utopic ideal you're being sealed from if you take something like adderall in your early years? Can't make it to the NBA/NFL?
I do believe that daily drug use during childhood is likely to fundamentally change that child's adult disposition. many men I have spoken to who were medicated during childhood have agreed, I have higher confidence in their opinion than yours. some kids will benefit from this. lots and lots of kids are victims of overprescription, and effectively will be mentally castrated by having spontenaiety and peaks of enjoyment crushed via permanent downregulation of the mind's reward circuitry. physically castrated too by reducing growth 10-20% which yes would probably impact ability to maximise sporting potential.
The public sphere gets its attention by appealing to base desires (rage, sadness, humor) and slowly slipping in the pitch for snake oil. If you're giving inconvinent truths, you're being "preachy", and "don't understand my struggle" and "are part of the problem".
Or they simply become famous in various means and in that power make skeletons to be revealed years later. It's hard to have a spotlight on you 24/7 and have your entire life be squeaky clean. That used to be the facade of politicians and even they don't care anymore.
Can't make the horse drink, even if they are dying of thirst because they keep being fed alcohol.
Feels like you watch too many of the wrong youtube influencers.
What, you thought that in one generation men magically became dumb?
As someone else said, the only problem is the lack of real positive role models (people who build, have ethic and do something useful with their lives), that have been replaced by pathetic characters like JP and other nobodies that only sell victimhood or get rick quick fantasies on the internet.
And then in the next sentence you're victimizing yourself for being downvoted. I can't even downvote you. HN doesn't allow me for some reason. I can screenshot it, if you want proof.
You’re literally making those numbers up, they are not referenced in the linked article and you provide no proof. You may want to take a step back and ask yourself if it is you who is brainwashed.
You cannot downvote because the comment is too old, the 2(lol) downvotes I got and that were cancelled by more upvotes came from those that replied to this shitty thread while it was still fresh.
No gaslighting man, I really don't care, I just don't like like reading what from my point of view looks like stuff that a kid would write. I'm an adult ffs. This BIG problem of the percentage if it's real (don't know, don't care) can be solved in 1/2 year.
There's nuggets of truth, but the overall effect is nowhere near as dramatic, no. Kids (both genders) are subscibed to a lot more medicine than the previous generation. There are a lot more initiatives to promote women in education than men. But it's not like men are failing out in droves nor are being abused in school to not succeed.
There are a lot more holisitic issues with education to fix, like the decreeasing budget and teachers being paid less that starbucks baristas, before we need to worry about nuanced factors like the different ways boys learn vs. girls. But yes, girls tend to do better in K-12 becaue the environment is more suited for them compared to the energy of boys who run around and rough house and other "disorderly" conduct.
The whole "go to trades" argument people are making is already a big reason men are pulled away from college compared to women. They already are doing that, and very few women are.
I think it's bad to give amphetamines to kids...full stop. But it isn't similar to castration or a lobotomy or even in the same order of magnitude in terms of long term irreparable effects.
Stimulant drugs of that nature tend to be more tolerable than opiates or benzos or a lot of other drugs often prescribed for common mental illnesses (and often to kids).
My issue with the whole discussion is not that we shouldn't take a hard look at our amphetamine prescribing tendency and try to resolve the underlying issues instead of putting on a drug band-aid...my issue is that it is implying some sort of long term catastrophic damage for kids or adults that may have undergone that sort of treatment in the past. And it's asking them to start adopting a blame mentality and potentially start using this great potential (imagined) future that was robbed of them as a coping mechanism.
They aren't mentally handicapped, and they shouldn't think of themselves as being the equivalent of somebody that's been castrated or lobotomized and therefore permanently mentally disabled in some way.
Yes, giving amphetamines on a regular basis to kids is mind blowing. It's also not the end of their lives.
Can we just discuss the problems men face without the totally unnecessary victimhood language.
The problem with the way you talk about this issue is that everything you say is comparing things that are off by about an order of magnitude in terms of their typical consequences.
wow, I might have to try this in the bedroom sometime