Andrew Tate's online university hacked – Chat logs, data on 800k users leaked
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It would be a toxic mix of stoicism, “survival of the fittest” mentality, affirmations of harmful stereotypes (ironically; mostly harmful to the people who feel validated by hearing it) and vague notions of being a leader and working hard-
Most people, especially supporters, don’t realise that Tates rhetoric is harmful to men more than women: you’re not a success unless $materialThing and $respectOfRandoms. Completely betraying the very real success of being genuinely respected and well regarded by your community and having a family that you support and love. If you took his advice seriously, you’d be very lonely.
The mix is toxic, but it had to be at least a little paletable.
Stoicism has critiques but that wasn't what I wanted to say, just that his way of thinking would lead to most men being deeply dissatisfied with their lived.
A lot of what he says goes directly against the protections of your mental comfort afforded by a stoicism mindset.
It's not about disregarding, it's about understanding that what you feel and what you are and do are two distinct entities.
Stoics view emotions as a two-stage process: the involuntary experience (natural emotional reactions) and conscious rationalization (examining and responding to emotions thoughtfully).
The initial mental impression (phantasia) is an inevitable component of human responses. The point of Stoic training is not to achieve disregarding emotions, but to focus on how one reacts to them, specifically whether one reacts automatically to them. It's the opposite of disregard, because they merit a very close inspection and when possible a reasoned reaction.
The Cognitive Behaviour Therapy is build on these principles and many studies (and meta studies) prove these principles work to improve many disorders:
Most of the things Andrew Tate pushes are not harmful. Stoicism isn't bad, it's massively undervalued in today's society. I'd say that most of today's modern sensibilities are the toxic influences that end up seriously harming the mental health of millennials and zoomers.
It's super easy to tell: the more in touch they're with them, the less reasonable they're, the more they get hung up on irrelevant things and have outbursts about completely asinine topics. They always have to be treated with silk gloves and if someone doesn't they'll try to get them cancelled.
Tate just adds silly amounts of narcissism as well, what people call "being alpha" and "sigma" right now. And that obviously ends up harming other people.
That describes Andrew Tate pretty well.
But they didn't become like that through Tate. They were already brought to that point by our society massively overvaluing things that are effectively harmful to us as productive members of society.
Tate just uses this issue in this messaging, and profits from simps that believe he can solve it for them. Even though the fact they're going to a "daddy figure" as grown men to have it solved is part of the issue in the first place.
TateUGPT: Your data, my choice.
User: Huh?
TateUGPT: Please read the EULA. Please purchase TateUCoins to become a manly redpill investor and help build the Shadow Fed.
I can't even eyeroll hard enough to this take. The gay agenda is overpriced brunch, the anti-lgbt agenda is "elimination from public life."
How much do you hear about women's suffrage? None, because it became a non-issue as soon as we got it. If we hadn't I would still be in the streets not shutting up about it. It's the same with LGBT rights, you will only hear about it as long as it's actively being opposed. It's hard to express how much of a "okay, anyway…" being gay or trans is in liberal spaces. Pride month can become just as boring and ignorable as women's history month if we let it.
I think it's important to have empathy with the sorts of people who make this type of statement, from their perspective they are losing something, and that's hard. The problem is that what they're losing was built on the subjugation of others, it was a privilege. As a straight white man it took me a while to reframe my thinking around this, but I want to live in a world where other people get the experience I had growing up, rather than one where I can continue to have that experience at their expense.
I see parallels in my work as well, to bring this back to a more HN appropriate position. I've seen company cultures change, and early employees feeling like they lost something or the culture deteriorated, when it would be more accurate to say that the culture changed to be more accessible to new employees and that the team was better overall as a result.
As always, politics is a spectrum and not a two-faced coin like we purport it to be, as evidenced by the recent elections.
I can understand it, I fucking hate pooping in public. And I'm a dude.
[1]https://studyfinds.org/holding-it-in-public-bathroom/#:~:tex....
Seems like the kind of thing that might inspire one to go to therapy.
Speaking of “fuck off”.
...is that not part of the point?
I also use to have your reaction, but recently I've realized we need more engagement if we are to fix the issues our nation faces, not less.