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Yes they are a monopoly on the MacOS hardware market, which explains this kind of extractive behavior.

By this logic, Ferrari is a monopoly.

That's not a monopoly.

Yes it is, they are the only supplier on the market for MacOS hardware. In the market for Linux or Windows, hardware is priced at a competitive level.

You may argue that the relevant market is for "computers" as a whole, however it can be argued that bundling hardware and software to charge high prices is a classic monopoly behavior nonetheless.

Companies cannot be forced to sell their operating systems distinct from hardware if they choose not to. That's a ridiculous expectation. There is no market for macOS, only Macs, and that market is the broader PC market, which Apple is nowhere near monopoly power

Saying Apple has a "macOS hardware" monopoly is like saying Dyson has a "Dyson motor monopoly"

Companies get to choose what their products are, full stop

> Companies cannot be forced to sell their operating systems distinct from hardware if they choose not to.

Microsoft was forced to unbundle IE, so why would this not be possible?

It is, for that particular market. In the market of MacOS computers, there is only one manufacturer.

MacOS is a brand that Apple owns, so that makes sense? It’s like saying in the market of Tesla cars there is only one manufacturer.

MacOS is also an operating system or a platform. Tesla isn't really a platform.

But... funny you brought up Tesla, because Tesla also had this exact problem! Tesla had the supercharging network, which they own and manufacture. But superchargers aren't just a product, they're a platform.

Tesla had a monopoly on superchargers, until they pre-emptively opened up the network and open sourced the connector. If they hadn't, IMO it was extremely likely they would've been forced, eventually.

Apple makes Apple hardware, yes.

I also have some information about the wetness of water.

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