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You're mis-reading what he says. People create new stuff, AI (so far) remixes old stuff. Down the line you will be able to order a remix of succession and AI should be able to do that for you but it won't be able to add any interesting additional spin - it's just gonna make it to order (obviously a big deal! which he says).

>implying the non-AI content we have nowadays is highly creative and unique

You just inserted this, he doesn't say or imply this - he asserted that all of the new ideas (so far) have been generated by humans. Sure lots of it is slop - but all of AI content is slop. That's his point: the new, creative stuff is still coming from humans - even if they are using "AI" tools to do it.

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This parenthetical is doing a lot of work here.

Also, you make a lot of claims that just don't seem to reflect what I've seen. Many human-made movies are cookie cutter plots (ie the new Twisters), and many AI prompts return seemingly novel results. Whether or not that are actually novel isn't all that relevant, since humans aren't databases that have memorized all the source material.

> Also, you make a lot of claims that just don't seem to reflect what I've seen.

Can you say more about my claims? Yes, many human creations are re-hashes of old creations. All AI creations are re-hashes. As you say - they seem "novel" to a particular human, but in aggregate they are what they are - re-hashes. There's a meme about how people with limited exposure to something will over-associate the relevance of their small exposure that kind of aligns with this[1].

[1] https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/getting-a-lot-of-boss-baby-vi...

> many human creations are re-hashes of old creations

But the meaningful creations, those that drive our culture forward, are those that build on the foundations of something old, and create something new.

???

Show me a movie in the last decade where the premise of it couldn't be generated by some AI prompt.

(I'll even make it easier by stating that said AI prompt can be generic and to some degree trivial; i.e. not the premise explicitly laid out in the prompt).

???

show me an AI prompt that can generate a movie premise in the last decade where the underlying model hasn't already been trained on that movie's plot.

show me a writer that hasn't been trained on a lot of movie plots before them.

Believe it or not, but there’s a lot more that goes into filmmaking beyond the premise.

Parasite, The Substance, Uncut Gems, mother!, Krisha, Tangerine, and The Lighthouse are some movies from the last decade that are novel in ways beyond their premises.

No generic prompts to an LLM could create those movies, even if it could spit out a vague 2 sentence premise that matches them.

Note that I’m not saying it could never happen, but LLMs as we have them in 2024 produce regurgitated slop, and require significant creative input from the prompter to make anything artistically interesting.

This feels almost like a request made in bad faith. I don't exactly know what quintessence of inspiration is required too put together any given movie - but lets take Portrait de la jeune fille en feu[1]. It's regarded as a masterwork on relationships and as visually stunning, judgements I agree with. The skill in its craft is in drawing out how the technique of painting lingers on details of humans in the same way that humans linger on them. On how the emphasis of an element (a stroke, a gaze) can overcome its humble character in the context of the moment. The overall plot of the movie is unremarkable - the reason it is a masterpiece lies in the how the actors are able to draw each other out and how the team putting together the look of the movie is able to reflect their relationship in tone and vibe.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_of_a_Lady_on_Fire

Here's your "Lady on Fire" generator, [1].

"Oh but you can't compare a paragraph to a whole movie script!"

Sure, just apply the same procedure recursively, stop at a depth where you're satisfied, see [2].

Bear in mind I've only spent like 10 minutes and a negligible amount of money. Now imagine you have a year and a budget of 10MUSD to come up with the best movie script you can create with the help of AI.

It really is only a matter of time ...

1: https://chatgpt.com/share/673bc781-0318-8003-a555-5ea4ea1463...

2: https://chatgpt.com/share/673bc976-0a24-8003-ab8e-11c7800527...

I think, if you are under the impression that Portrait of a Lady on Fire is even...gestured at in any way in your examples - then we are in different places (I recommend you start an ssri).

I urge you to compare this to the translation[1] of the shooting script of Portrait of a Lady on fire:

    1. STUDIO PARIS-INT-DAY
    A blank page. A feminine hand draws a black line, the first
    stroke of a drawing. Another blank page. And a new female
    hand, which starts a new line. This action is repeated
    several times, coinciding with the credits.

    WOMAN'S VOICE
    First my contours. My silhouette.

    The silhouette takes shape as we move from frame to frame and
    the sketch of the figure comes to life under the strokes of a
    pencil.

    A large room pierced with skylights. An artist's studio. It’s
    Paris in 1780. Eight young girls between 13 and 18 years old
    are sitting on stools that are nearly obscured by the
    fullness of their dresses. They are bent over their drawing
    boards, which serve them as support. The faces of the young
    girls are focused. Their eyes oscillate between their drawing
    and the horizon.

[1] https://www.tumblr.com/mlleclaudine/634613427269173248/engli...

People create new stuff? People remix old stuff. The movie industry is a joke as far as "new stuff" is concerned.

> The movie industry is a joke as far as "new stuff" is concerned

There's a whole world of cinema that exists outside of hollywood.

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