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You should check out Java sometime.

The problem is not Java, but some types of architects that flourish in corporations, usually doing designs with endless numbers of abstractions, layer upon layer.

I've seen this happening in C, followed by C++, and now Java and C#.

They will do it regardless of the language being used.

This is an excellent point. I so often attribute my disdain to Java itself when, in reality, the issue is the majority of Java engineers.

Java itself can be a beautifully terse language.

"terse" is about the last word that I would use to describe Java.

Compared to almost every other language I've had exposure to, it's more verbose.

I usually don't like to put "beautiful" and "terse" next to each other. "expressive", maybe, but terse? That sounds like an insult.

That's exactly my problem with it. It's just that when you do in PHP, you don't get any of the benefits you derive from all the Java BDSM.

Java still gives me nightmares ;(

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