Since the '60s, Ford has stored cars underground in a Kansas City cave
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"The story of “government cheese” started with Jimmy Carter’s campaign promise to support the price of milk (specifically, to support a $0.06/gallon price increase). Consider it a rare campaign promise that happened to be kept, though it wasn’t completely thought through.
"Enforcing a higher price for something commonly either means restricting supply or increasing demand. In this case, supporting the price increase meant that the government had to buy milk en masse. What happens when you buy lots of milk? You discover that it does not keep well. That in turn led to the milk being converted into other forms that last longer: cheese, primarily. The other benefit of cheese being its greater density — producing one pound of cheese requires roughly 10 pounds of milk.
"But then what to do with the cheese? At first, the government just stored the cheese, where it apparently filled most of the large-scale cold storage in the US. (Rough cost for one year of the milk price support program (1981): $2 billion paid to dairy farmers in price support and $120 million in storage.)" https://unintendedconsequenc.es/food-from-thought/
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> “The reason people use this place is because we don’t talk about this place,” said Chris Miller, Iron Mountain’s infrastructure manager.
The tone of that is unclear, while giving a tour to a journalist.
(Even random mentally ill people are likely to have access to firearms, and maybe heavy vehicles.)
Before cloud got big, I used to have a personal physical server colocated at a network facility, in a nondescript commercial building that you had to know was there, and turn off the main street to get to, with no signage I could see. (Also, biometrics scanners, when those weren't consumer things, and a waiting room that seemed to securely lock in visitors, in view of guards.)
I'd previously heard of non-government buildings without signage, for security reasons, so I figured that was it. Rather than not wanting to spend the money on a sign that would make it easier for customers to physically find, increase brand awareness, or raise their prominence in the minds of local officials before whom they might occasionally have business.
And, over time, you hear of other non-government unmarked buildings that are arguably "sensitive", for one reason or another. The ones that personally come to mind, historically that type has been threatened before (by, e.g., people angry at a company that they blame for automating away jobs, people who saw a movie involving blowing up records of bank loans and think that will work in real life, animal rights activists who want to free lab animals (and didn't see that other movie), eco-terrorists, people who are are mentally ill and found something conveniently located to fixate on). Maybe also no need to invite protestors?
If I had to do it I’ll make it a boring unsuspecting commercial building with signage “storage R us” for example.
There's an interesting building right in downtown Minneapolis that takes up an entire block that I'd passed several times a week for years without even noticing it—it's the operations center for Wells Fargo (and actually it just recently has been sold).
Zero signage and very nondescript, but when I found out what it was some of the physical security around it started to become super obvious. Big bollard "planters" and protection from large vehicles, a lot of cameras, no real obvious lobby.
This is the building, it's fascinating to check out the street view all the way around the block: https://maps.app.goo.gl/UYKnA2Bs9gMQsSwo9
Once went to visit a Raytheon technical support guy in his office. He made a point that it was 'hard to find' and there 'were no signs'. And he was right. Drive to a building. Park. List of business but not Raytheon. Go through a door that looks like it should be locked. Down a hall to the end. Open a door that looks like a utility closet and there is their office.
Company Policy.
Old office in SF two floors were a banking operation. They weren't on the signage. And you'd get in the elevator with people that worked on those floors and they would stand silently despite obviously knowing each other. Double set of doors on those two floors.
There was a time when I believed this. But over the years, I've concluded that in many cases, that which is considered legitimate security is in fact rooted simply in ensuring that the attacker is lacking information, which is fairly synonymous with obscurity.
Nothing about them is a secret. What a strange quote by the owner.
In fact it sounds like the TV show facility was based on this, the 'have their own fire brigade' thing also created in the show.
I wonder if Evilcorp was also based on something. Edit: Ah I see it was Enron. Thanks for that link to the wiki, I didn't know it.
I’m suddenly curious where the cheese air lifted into Berlin after WWII came from.
That is to say, most people probably never eat US-made cheese, and those that did mostly did so while physically on the US.
Also, most of that exported cheese tends to go to the same few places. That happens to every kind of product.
Mad Cow disease is a more recent example where global supply chains shifted and suddenly people were eating a lot more imported products or products from different countries.
Further, from restaurants, ingredients in packaged food, vacations, baby food, pot luck’s, to one off sampling of a MRE many people have done something once which completely changed the supply chain for their normal diet.
PS: I’d agree it’s under 50% globally when including children, but for the HN audience specifically it’s probably over that.
You think global trade amounts to 44 billion dollars per year?
The United States alone has a GDP of 29,000 billion dollars. World GDP for 2023 seems to be estimated at 105,000 billion dollars.
By that estimate, $2.2B / year is 0.000021% of global trade.
Further, when you first read “global trade” and thought “all global trade” why would you suddenly from “global trade of cheese” to “global production of cheese”.
Why would you object to the idea that the amount of global trade in cheese is equal to the global production of cheese, but not to the idea that the amount of global trade is equal to the amount of global production?
You could argue that there's more trade than there is production, because of reselling, but that would once again dramatically shrink the share of cheese trade that you could attribute to US cheese exports, which don't take future reselling into account.
Virtually all petroleum (and shale-oil) deposits were formed in shallow seas, though possibly in lakes or wetlands (though swamps are more associated with coal-bed formation). Oil is largely metamorphosed algae.
J.R. Dyni, "Geology and Resources Of Some World Oil-Shale Deposits" (2003)
Oil shales were deposited in a variety of depositional environments including fresh-water to highly saline lakes, epicontinental marine basins and subtidal shelves, and in limnic and coastal swamps, commonly in association with deposits of coal.
There are speed limit signs, stop signs, directional signs, etc. because otherwise you'll get lost.
From TFA.
There are some people discussing that in the article comments, they think it's a clickbait headline photo combo.
Not too far away (3-4 hours), the salt mines in Hutchinson, KS store a lot of Hollywood memorabilia.
One big plot point of "The Day After" back in the 1980s was that people sought shelter in the underground caves around Kansas City.
The Kansas City Ford plant manufactures more trucks/vans in a day than it can ship to their destinations, and Ford uses almost any surface lot it can rent (including a nearby amusement park's lot in the offseason) to hold cars until they can be transferred by rail or truck--it's very demand-driven. It's completely natural they'd use these caves as well based on their proximity to the rail and interstate transport near the river.
I don't see in the article anything that implies there's a cache of 1960s cars down there gathering limestone dust. That space would quickly be reclaimed for temporary storage of Transit vans awaiting their buyers.
Here's a video of "Subtropolis": https://youtu.be/3DJ4VjIRM24
Large blocks were cut and pulled for processing, typically there are access tunnels that are wider than a two line highway with clearance for moving van height trucks with many "bays* that are large mined voids larger than a basketball court or three.
It's cheap storage given the security (controlled access) and the shade from sunlight and protection from rain, weather (hail), etc.
Cave Johnson probably still has them doing some important science underground somewhere.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Petroleum_Reserve_(U...
Pretty cool but doesn't need the mystery. I wouldn't mind visiting, although I'm not a big fan of Ford. Seeing an old Ford GT might be cool.
Be extremely careful if you spot a 1967 GT500 named Eleanor, that's how it gets stolen again.