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> we look at all the times he promised to release the health care plan, the January 6 incident, the calls to states to "find" votes, the constant complaining about rigged elections, the constant complaining about basically EVERYTHING he doesn't like, and more

Have you considered the possibility his supporters know something you don't? A lot of what you mentioned is either debunked or is fraught with misinformation

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Yes, I HAVE considered that, it's why I keep ASKING Trump fans. I even stated in my comment that I never get real responses. I get responses like yours, which is "you're wrong, it's been debunked" but I'm never let in on the debunking evidence.

I'm dead serious and 100% sincere: Please show me the evidence. I REALLY want to see it. I don't believe people, I believe data. I don't even believe MYSELF without data.

I live in Georgia, I heard the tape with Trump and Raffensperger, but if you have evidence that call is somehow not true, please share it.

I heard Trump say he has "a concept of a plan" on Healthcare 8 years after he told me he already had a plan. If he's got an ACA replacement, I'd love to see it. I don't understand why it has to be repealed before it can be replaced, usually we just pass new laws that supersede the old one, but whatever, I'll look at whatever you have.

I don't think you can provide evidence that he doesn't complain about everything he doesn't like, every rally comes with a list of grievances. But again, if you have evidence, I'll look at it with an open mind.

And even if you don't have evidence for those things, show me what evidence you DO have, I'll be happy to examine it. I even looked at the stuff Mike Lindell released. I'll always look at evidence, but I just can't do the whole "do your own research" thing any more.

And, as I sadly expected, no response, no evidence, no showing me where I'm wrong. So I have no better idea than I did before. I don't know how a country can continue to exist when citizens won't even talk to each other. I'm so disappointed politicians have created such a divide within the country, and I don't think we'll make it without overcoming it.

explain how him saying for over two years that he would have a healthcare plan in some number of weeks (changed several times) is debunked or misinformation. Because we all watched it.

What a great skipping-record case-in-point. I almost think this is satire.

> Have you considered the possibility his supporters know something you don't?

They literally considered that, it's a main point of the post you're replying to, they got answers that lacked actual details or hinged on hyperbole.

> A lot of what you mentioned is either debunked or is fraught with misinformation

See what I mean? "A lot" meaning what number of things? Either debunked or is fraught with misinformation? What does that even mean? Which things? Jan 6 is "debunked" or "fraught with misinformation" or both? Trump didn't release his health care plan, Trump called GA to find votes, Trump constantly complained about rigged elections. Those are sincere and unarguable facts. What are you speaking about in rebuttal?

> They literally considered that, it's a main point of the post you're replying to, they got answers that lacked actual details or hinged on hyperbole.

I appreciate that someone actually read my post. I'm not happy to say that's the usual reply I get from Trumpers, just an angry "you're wrong" and no discussion. I'm out of ideas on how to get them to engage in a conversation. I hate arguing. I really, really just want to understand their point of view but I just get yelled at.

And I'm NOT trying to denigrate anyone with that statement, it just feels like there's so much anger between Americans that it's hard to get someone to believe I'm sincere when I don't agree with them. It seems to immediately cause them to shut down and go into anger mode rather than just explaining to me why they feel I'm wrong.

He's got them convinced that people who disagree can't be trusted, and it fucking *hurts*.

> A lot of what you mentioned is either debunked or is fraught with misinformation

Why do you believe this?

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