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You're on to something. I think Scott Galloway got it right in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzLmznS91kM

The Democratic party has a problem communicating to young white men why they should vote democrat. The party doesn't speak to them at all. I don't think there's much wrong with the policies. It could perhaps use some more policies targeting men's rights. But it's mostly a communication problem. Young men don't feel seen by the democratic party, and the democrats need to realize this and fix it for the next election.

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Looking from afar, the dominating far left elements of the DNC have been actively hostile to unmarried white men, and completely disconnected from young men (who don't fit into a very narrow mold of acceptability) in general.

The sad thing is that there isn't anything "left" in that "far left". It's just misandry without the socialism.

The sad thing is calling anything in the Democrat party 'left'. Historically, right means pro-power, pro status quo, and left pro reform and pro-distribution of power. At first it was political, then it was more generalized (far right is getting back to full monarchy/empire/whatever, basically going back in time).

Do the Democrat seems left to you?

> actively hostile to unmarried white men

Feel free to name these policies you think are specifically hostile to white men.

You'll be waiting a long while, unmarried white women are too busy having their body autonomy taken away. Poor men.

White men were the peak of society. Every policy, improvising the rights of all other people, especially women, is chipping away from their Throne. Naturally, some will see this as a threat and a loss, especially when you are regularly feed with misinformation. That society as a whole is becoming better, doesn't help the groups who are losing from it. And this is showing for a while now.

> White men were the peak of society.

Most white men are not at the peak of society. When they are told how good they have it, they think about how their paycheck barely/doesn't cover their needs, or the needs of his family. They think about how long their car will last before breaking down. They think about the amount of crime in their neighborhood. And then they are told that this is the good life? And they discover that the government is giving people who just got here handouts (which is made from their taxes, money that could have improved their own lives)? They won't stand for it.

> Most white men are not at the peak of society.

Today. This was different 60 years ago. This is different today in more conservative countries. At least that is the perception of those people.

> When they are told how good they have it, they think about how their paycheck barely/doesn't cover their needs, or the needs of his family. They think about how long their car will last before breaking down.

Everyone has those problems, it's not limited to men or white people.

> And they discover that the government is giving people who just got here handouts

And here we have the prime example of manipulation. The reason why all those young men fall to this delusion.

> Today. This was different 60 years ago. This is different today in more conservative countries. At least that is the perception of those people.

Critical race theory says that white men are and were always at the top. It appears to be a pillar of modern progressive politics. But when one demographic is the majority, they also tend to be the majority across all income brackets.

> Everyone has those problems, it's not limited to men or white people.

People at the 'peak of society' wouldn't worry about those problems. They would have the power and/or money to not have those problems.

> And here we have the prime example of manipulation. The reason why all those young men fall to this delusion.

CBS NYC ending controversial debit card program for migrants: https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/nyc-debit-card-program-...

PIX11 NYC to end debit card program for migrant families: https://pix11.com/news/local-news/nyc-to-end-migrant-debit-c...

New York Times: New York City Will Stop Giving Debit Cards to Migrants: https://archive.ph/hQtR9

If these programs are ending, it was real, not a delusion.

Today men represent 42% of 4 year college students. The gap between men and women enrolled in 4 year college is higher than it was before Title IX was enacted, but in the opposite direction this time. Wages are falling far behind inflation, and home ownership feels entirely out of reach for most young people due to skyrocketing housing prices. Additionally young people are more single and lonely than ever. Most of these issues do not exclusively affect men, but there are lots (millions) of young men who are unsure if they will ever be able to find a partner, own a home, and work a job that can help support a family. There's a reason toxic hyper-masculine, conservative influences have grown hugely in popularity; they are tapping into these insecurities a lot of young men are facing. Only Republicans are bothering to address this demographic with claims about how they're going to help them start their own business, improve own a home, make a decent living, etc.

Telling young men today that they actually shouldn't care about any of these things because they had it so good 60 years ago has done nothing but alienate people who might otherwise have supported Democrats.

Well I'm just glad so many men will be happy and feel in control of their own lives now!

It actually mirrors what is happening in South Korea.

Women are becoming more liberal as they push for equality and bodily autonomy. Men are becoming more conservative because they feel that women's rights are coming at the expense of theirs and that no one is addressing their concerns.

And so there is a large cultural and political divide.

Which then has all sorts of side effects e.g. men becoming more 'incel' in their behaviour because women aren't interested in dating them, birth rate dropping because woman don't want to be stay at home moms etc.

What's missing is that men in South Korea are expected to spend 2 to 3 years of their life in the army. This was a reasonable tradeoff when women would spend as much time being pregnant - I risk my life to protect you, you risk yours to give me something to protect.

At this point with how quickly South Korea is falling apart socially the young men may well welcome an invasion by the North since they have nothing to fight for - what happens if we have a war and we don't show up?

That is a horrific and dystopian trade-off.

Pretty sure most women would just prefer to fight than be forced to carry a pregnancy.

With the way things are going population wise, it doesn’t look like they’ll have much of a choice

So many people forget that men are expected to fight wars or register to be drafted on the sole basis of being born male. Many are circumcised for the same reason (born male). Where is our bodily autonomy? Where is our choice?

When she deliberately chose not to go on Joe Rogan was where I started to seriously doubt her chances.

It was all Beyonce, Michelle Obama and Taylor Swift.

You can say everything you want about Rogan, but I still really, really wish she'd done one interview with him.

There will be a lot of second-guessing for what she should have done. The fact is they need to nominate candidates who would do well in such a situation and it's not clear that she would have. I think Walz would have done well on Rogan, not sure he didn't do it.

Galloway has been harping on this for awhile. Check the Democrats website and it lists who they are for. All groups are there including women, but nothing about men or young men. I heard a blurb on the news last night that college aged men broke heavily towards Trump.

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